Loz/Laurence Lawn master of deception!

[Benllay]

I was a paid member of Loz’s group and everything was going well until I got stuck in a EURUSD trade which lost me £1,000 all because “Loz doesn’t set SL’s” he said he’d make it back for me like he did for another member so I handed my account over and within a week he lost £5,000 from hedge betting with 12.0 lot sizes (I have proof)!

Under no circumstance did I say that he could go “balls to the wall” with my account as he’s claimed before and I have all our conversations to prove it. He then said he’d pay me back which I didn’t panic about because he paints a picture of living in a multi million dollar house and trading with a 6 figure account.

The reality is he rents a room and struggles to make ends meat (again I have the proof in private messages). I had to be so so nice to him all the time through fear he’d not pay me back, I was drip fed money here and there over a couple of months and eventually he did pay me back.

I’ve since left his groups because I don’t want to be a member as I don’t believe in him anymore because it’s all lies and if anyone disagrees with him they’re removed even members who’ve paid up have been muted/removed when they’ve said something against his demeanour.

He paints himself out to be a saint which he isn’t, the guys poison and a racist!

I wanted to write this as I don’t want others to fall foul of him, I could’ve written all this before leaving but thought I’d leave it! It wasn’t until I read a post from him about this situation that I wanted to have my say.

I feel sorry for all the members of his groups! The thing is on paper it all looks very promising. I can imagine that there’s a merry go round of people in the paid groups who find out about the true Loz and then leave only to be replaced by more from the free groups etc.

Remember I have no reason to lie about anything, I have nothing to lose from all this but Loz has plenty to lose that’s why he lies about everything.

I want to get this out to the groups but know it’ll be deleted straight away…

I hope others read this through a google search for Loz Laurence Lawn and steer well clear of this person.

Sorry for posting this on here guys/moderators, if I’ve violated any rules please remove but I wanted to voice my concerns in a forum which isn’t dictated by Loz.

Thanks,

Ben

[tommor]

The people who get sucked into these schemes don’t normally come to this site for guidance first, but thanks for the message.

[Benllay]

I couldn’t agree more, when I search for Loz Lawn on Google; babypips is the first place that comes up with a topic about him but I cannot post on it anymore.

Just want others to know the truth without getting burnt.

[lozlawn]

Ben

First off, I can’t believe how much of a [Removed due to forum policy] you are, you got your money back!

Secondly, you need to get your facts right, Son!

Thirdly, You’re a [Removed due to forum policy]…

I called you up in the UK from overseas and specifically asked you, and you said yes. Then I asked you are you sure, and if you were, I’d back it up if I lost it… you said you were fine with it, and that you trusted me (after all, no risk on your part, the risk was all mine).

I managed to get over 1,000 quid back for you, but silly me I wanted to surprise you as I was on the way to doubling your account. But unfortunately, the markets turned for the worse. It happens, but that’s no reason for you to go off like you did.

So much for trying to help, sheeze, if this what I’m gonna get when ppl back stab me after fronting up the risks so there are no risk on them, I wouldn’t of offered to help your back stabbing a**.

Just like Manick from India when his Nephew opened some trades on his phone without him knowing, I front up the risk if it didn’t work out. And in his case, it did work out and I got all his money back.

Now, you lost your 1k GBP,cos you never followed the instructions. Again! You hardly submitted your exercises / homework either, and you’re just looking for someone to blame… so you decided to get brain washed by Mehmet, who then tried to help you, and from the looks of your current standings on your account, you put in more and you’re already down $200 on that as well… some fine help Memhet is LOL he’s just as bad as you, the blind leading the blind.

Reality is, no, I don’t rent a room. You need to get your facts right Son! I live in a two bedroom apartment. A darn sight better than the shed you live in.
FYI, I travel the world. So I get AirBnB’s… Would be nice if you were more informed rather than making up stories!

What ? you were drip fed money over a couple of months? Excuse me… I paid you within 3 weeks, Son! And I knew you were ass kissing - but that had no bearing on whether I’d stick to my agreement or not.

• 16th Feb, 1K GBP Paid
• 22nd Feb, 1K GBP Paid
• 5th March, 2.65K GBP Paid
• 6th March, 410 GBP Paid (and that included the extra 15 quid you got charged from your bank, so I covered that as well, so you got the FULL 5K GBP back)…
  And those are the facts… Months you say?

Me, Racist? How am I" I donate money to Charities all the time in needy countries like Africa, Mexico, by way of water is life dot com… so how is that being a racist?

I have many friends from all over the world who are of different ethnicity than me (Manick is Indian, why did I help him out? Cos I’m racist). [Removed due to forum policy]. Quit listening to Beechy! That guy is brain washed from the socail media.

How is saying Islamic Extremist/Radicals who cut off our Soldiers heads off in the middle of the street, cutting genitals off of young girls, raping / grooming our children under the age of 12 years old, how does that fit into the “Racist” category? Are you nuts?

Again, ur making stories up, I removed people who called me names, I’m not going to sit here and take all of your crap. No one would… And it’s all noted in the TOS before you joined.

Me, a saint? I’m far from one, but I’m not someone who you are trying to paint a picutre of to these people on this forum!

LOL, you feel sorry for the other members who are able to knock out a 100% win rate WHEN THEY APPLY THEMSELVES… you’re still butt hurt cos your brain wasn’t able to cope with it all. Raising lot sizes when you shouldn’t of done, you admittedly saying “constantly” you messed up…

Quit being a Muppet who so hard up, likes to blame others for their misfortunes of understanding how things are done…

Laters [Removed due to forum policy]!

BTW, I’ve already told my members about it, I was open and upfront about it as well… I’m not hiding anything, what other BS you got to say?

oh, and yeh, if trying to find £52,000 and some change to pay the bank each month, is struggling yeh, maybe i am…
do you know how hard it is to come up with 52k a month to pay off a 1.2 million quid loan? You dont even make that a year, Son!

I’m sure you do know how hard is it, after all, you lost 1000 GBP, blamed me, then stuck in another 1k after you left and already lost 200 of it already, under Mehmets umbrella …

Best you just quit trading and stick to your 9-5 job man, ur not cut for this industry!

[tommor]

Now this is starting to get interesting! I guess the customer service desk is currently unmanned over lunch-time but you’ve gotta respect the refreshing straight talking.

Watching with interest…

[lozlawn]

Pardon, support desk unmanned, over lunch time? lol

[tommor]

You’re too soft on the back-office staff mate! Put it to 'em - Shape up or ship out!

[lozlawn]

Oh Tommor,

If i was 20 years younger, I’d let it rip… but it’s just not worth it man.

I just don’t like it when someone talks out of their backside to get a thrill out of it… sad person!

I just called Ben, and he put the phone on “deny” or something and it went straight to voice mail… then I see him trying to type to me in telegram messenger as well, so i msg’d him back (I unblocked him then typed my msg and blocked him again) to say that there is no point in typing as i wont see the message.

I even texted him on the phone, he still typing, i called again, this time, half a ring, puts me straight through to voicemail again, so i tell him to not type to me - again, i wont see it if i blocked him on telegram.

Just goes to show, the guy has a problem dealing with instructions that would help save him time…

I guess he likes doing things the hard way

C’est la vie

[Benllay]

Loz,

What a response. I’ve not deposited anymore money and will send you the screen shots to prove it if you require? I know you’ll say that you can see it from my ICMarkets account because your the IB but you’re lying. Ive not followed anyone’s signals as I’ve been studying hard from teachings provided by a far superior trader.

His teachings over the course of a few months far outweigh your scalping strategies. I always submitted my results well until I couldn’t due to you losing me £5,000. I stopped submitting in the groups because I didn’t have any more money to trade with because you lost it all.

You lost all my money in just over a week and took from the 29th Jan - 6th Mar to pay it back so not a couple of months but still long enough for someone who’s apparently so successful. (again I have the proof).

You have no idea about my life Loz, I mentioned about a broken boiler that cost £2,000 to fix out of desperation to try and appeal to your emphatic side in a hope that money would start coming my way and that’s all.

I live in a very nice house which I’m incredibly proud of and for you to say I live in a shed is just disrespectful.

Loz nothing I’ve said has been a lie apart from taking a couple of months to pay the money back when it was over 5 weeks.

If you’re such a brilliant mentor why did 40+ of your PAYING members leave all at the same time? It’s not through the ideas off of one guy that’s for sure, they all saw the light and realised that they weren’t receiving the correct level of service they should’ve been getting for paying members.

I’m pleased that you’ve written about 100% win rate on here because there’ll be plenty of member who I hope will read this and realised how deluded that statement really is.

Loz you follow groups on Facebook which are far right and considered incredibly racist amongst society you’ve commented with your views and I find it incredibly difficult that you say you’re not racist.

I understand factors that occur in other parts of the world but all you’re doing is adding to the hatred already felt amongst the millions of ethnic minorities in the U.K which just isn’t right.

I’m aware you’ve told your members as I’ve seen the posts which tell a completely different story to the one which actually happened that’s why I wanted to have my say but I was removed from your free group for fear of me telling the truth.

The crooks of the matter is Loz you will do whatever you can to try and deny everything that’s been said because it’s going impact on your income I understand that but as I’ve said previously I’ve nothing to lie about, I’ve not lost anything and I’m actually getting mentored by someone who I know will lead me in the right direction.

The more you reply to this topic the easier it’ll be for someone to type your name into a google search and realise exactly what they’d be getting involved with if they ever followed your groups.

[Benllay]

Loz,

I blocked your calls on the 6th March…

[AlexCook]

Any reason why ‘Water is Life’ which we/you are meant to have paid in to is not a registered charity in the US as far as any compiled list of registered charities that I can find is concerned?
Also, 2000 pips breathing room is taking the piss, it ONLY works in theory if you have a single trade open. The whole purpose of no stop-loss is because as far as you claimed win-rate is concerned, a trade isn’t a loser until it liquidates. And it does not work for anyone’s health as stress levels are high when trades are left running overnight with no SL.

The whole crap of ‘didn’t do your studies or produce your homework’, people submitted plenty of screenshots of what they believed to be valid entries but all they got in response in 90% of cases was ‘go watch the video’. The videos which were unhelpful as didn’t actually give you 50% of what you needed to know. Goal-posts for the strategies had been moved since the videos were made and you got stroppy when new members posted onto the groups what fitted with the video instructions, but not the new criteria which was about 30,000 messages back in Telegram which you expected all members to read through before joining in. I have the videos if you wish me to post them for proof.
You asked us to set up under your IB but didn’t produce an IB agreement, Nor any proof any apparent payments to this supposed charity.

Wanna know what my guess is, I reckon you’re skint, up to your eye balls in debt and are raking in the commissions from people under your IB’s to service your debt. Why else would your strategies been taught to trade for 2 pips at a time? Why receive 1 commission on a single 50 pip trade when you can get 25 commissions from 25 two pips trades? Clever, however - it only works when you keep people on your side, which you don’t do. People get sick of the narcissism, god-complex & dictatorial environment which you create in the chat groups. Deleting comments from people who vouch for any education source other than your own, saying all the content is a waste of time - this site included. The lies then denial about situations that happened, we all know they happened, forever claiming you were never in the wrong, either caught up in your own self-delusion so deep you believed your own crap or your own personal insecurity can’t bear the thought of someone saying ill against you.

We also have screenshots of your racist remarks to people in private chats, also calling the late Stephan Hawking a ‘f****ing c**t’ and that you ‘didn’t see what all the fuss was about’ on the day/day after his death. A truly classless statement to make from a truly classless human being. Also your support for Tommy Robinson (who has been in jail for fraud, an idol of yours maybe?) & co for Britian First.

So your £52k in the bank, why did it take 3 weeks to pay ben his money back? We saw your pathetic messages to Ben, making yourself sound the victim because when he asked about returning his money, you said he was pestering you, grow up - If you mess up then what do you expect?
Granted that you didn’t have to pay Ben his money back, I think he understood the risks involved, but when you paint yourself as someone with 26 years experience (or is it 19, because an article you wrote yourself 7 years ago said you had 12?) and a claimed 100% win rate, you set yourself on a pedestal. Funny how when someone was looking over your shoulder you blew 98% of the account? Doesn’t look good for your 100% win rate, does it?

I was a paying customer, but because I didn’t like how the sites were being run & I called you out on it, you blocked me from Facebook, Telegram & blocked me access from commenting in any of the groups, which is part of what I paid for.

Also, funny how the payment system we use doesn’t allow us to cancel or deny payments at our end, nor does cancelling on your website actually cancel payments going out, anyone would think you’re looking to take fraudulent payments at a later date

[lozlawn]

Oh Ben,

You’re a liar man, why do you get thrills out of lying all the time? You need help Mister!

First… You blew your account out, told me you lost your confidence, I then helped you regain it, you managed to get a lot back, then you defaulted and went back to your insecure self again. Then lost the entire lot. Had you done your studies on a demo account first, did what was asked, you probably would not of found yourself in the situation you was in before I offered to help you! But you wont admit that, will you? No, cos just now you just said you did submit all your studies… I asked you and every other member, to double your demo account on one strategy before moving on to the next, and try and double the account with the next strategy and so on… but you didn’t want to do that, your mindset was all on the NOW and not the future… so you went straight to Live, and well, the rest is history.

Second… That was when I offered to HELP you. Yes, I failed but that’s the risk I accepted cos I can handle the loss and re-deposit if I needed to, you however didnt have that ability due to your 9-5, but I paid you back. That’s on me, not you! You got 100% back plus 4x 15 quid bank fees back on top!

And you will want to make an issue over this, cos I lost? seriously? I asked you to go via demo account, why is it my fault all of a suddent that you wanted to dive straight into a live account? you need to accept some responsibility here, Son!

If you want me to show them the IB area of ALL the accounts you got, I will, want me to prove you wrong in front of all these Forum users? I don’t think you would want me to.

Yeh, I knew the Boiler story was full of crap too man… wow, that definitely shows your type of character you’re painting a picture of yourself, eh?

You’re manipulative, liar, and a story teller…

I do know about your life man, you’ve told me and many others what your life is about. We were ALL close to each other before a few of you decided to ruffle the feathers. No mind any way, the room(s) are much better now you and the others have gone… and the best part, they are submitting their excercises ON a demo BEFORE they go live. So refreshing when others listen to the guidelines which will prevent them making mistakes on the live account.

And whether or not you find it hard to believe if I’m a racist, I really don’t give a rats flying hoof!

All of what I said was true! But you’re still in denial man! I have no reason to lie. You’re just butt hurt b’cos you couldn’t follow the instructions. And you want to put the blame on me. Go ahead, I’ll be your bench to lay your denial on…

you never blocked me on 6th of march, cos you hung the phone within 3 rings first time around then 1/2 ring the second time - u liar

[Memsta]

Under my umbrella ella ella eh eh!! Loz you give me way too much credit man. Lets get this straight…I had been trading 6 months then I sign up to your service and get a deal by donating to a questionable charity. I follow your methods to a T. Start posting some of my own analysis and then before I know it youve given me authority to post trade set ups for the group. I was and still am very much a student of forex (and will always be)…but I guess your 26 years experience (or was it 19…or 13 sorry)…enabled you to see some talent…I dunno im coming to conclusions.
Anyways after you go AWOL on the group for a couple weeks, repeatedly promising services but never coming through…I aired my views. A majority of the group agreed. You kicked me out and blocked me…more happened after but thats irrelevant. You was caught red handed trying to swindle us with a proprietry trading deal…the list is actually endless ranging from how you talk about other people and organisations in this industry to just simply plain up answering a question from a paying member with no patience.
You had your good days and your bad days as a mentor…there was some good I wont deny that…but as a trader…you suck…straight up bro. Your gamblers mindset has held back your progression as a trader regardless of how good your technical analysis has been at times. No SL means you need to use a hedging strategy…you teach people to sit there like lemons and pray that the trade comes back in your favour.
Certainly good things were taught by you…but the complete package is very flawed. Any trader with as much experience as yourself should have a track record or verified account to prove so…if you dont then I understand the realities of blowing accounts and making massive wins on others that may have a shitty looking equity curve…but you dont even have an ounce of anything visual to even promote the ‘trader lifestyle’. This 100% win is the angle you were going for with your advertising and it is flawed. If you won 100% of the time in forex how comes your still in so much debt?

You should quit trading man your not cut for this industry. Try a 9 to 5 job for once in your life…it would teach you the fundamental values of honesty, hard work ethics. Not scamming people instead.

[Memsta]

there is no back office bro…this is one guy running things with a webcam and a laptop

[lozlawn]

Oh Alex, don’t you start too. geeze… lol

For a guy who is into Chemical Bombs and what not and all that comes with Chemistry, you sure are lacking skills in research lol how the heck did you pass? did you cheat? lol

http://charitycheck101.org/report/?id=264470550

http://charitycheck101.org/report/?id=263185829

http://charitycheck101.org/report/?id=205951140

http://charitycheck101.org/report/?id=273072313

So what’s your implication here, that I’m a liar? Proof right there man…Phone number there too.
Give them a call! (On his website)

Alex, your math is not very good either, just like Ben’s, so I’m not going to re-explain to you what, why, and how those numbers are in play… excuse me, cos its just trying to get a 1 month old to talk English and write. #NoChanceOfUnderstandingStraightAway

Alex, its not funny how the system don’t allow you to cancel, [removed for forum violation] lol… It’s a manually added account there was no payment into the system for you to cancel from. That’s why the account area doesn’t have a transaction record, if it had, you would be billed monthly. Which you’re not. And you’re out of here on 3rd of April or 6th of april any way… so what u on about? lol

I don’t give a rats arse if you don’t like how I ran things. I’m not here to listen to you to tell me how to run my business. If I needed help, I’d hire someone, not someone like you who doens’t even know how to do research properly and failed at Mathematics!

Yes, I didn’t have to pay him back, you’re right, he understood the risks, but I couldn’t live with that, so I offered to take the risk up front before even attempting to trade the account…

as to the other dribble of yours, I’m going to leave it there, it’s quite clear you’re confused and prejudice as well.

[lozlawn]

oh for crying out loud, Yes there is a back end office… its called the ACCOUNT PAGE you [Removed due to forum policy]… and there are several links there to navigate through the back office area. so, go away Mehmet… and btw [Removed due to forum policy]

[lozlawn]

I wasn’t giving you credit, [Removed due to forum policy]

you made Ben lose an additional 200 quid from his extra 1k entry into his account.

and don’t try this psycho babble about how you think you know me and what ive gone through, you have no idea what you are saying, just cos you say you have 10 or so clients who you “think” you helped mentally, you need to take a closer look at yourself…

You never followed the rules to the T man… and u never consistently posted in the groups either, and u never doubled your demo account before going live.

I never went AWOL for a couple weeks, I made updates on my timeline what I was doing for the next two weeks… and I monitored the TG groups too, you’d know if you took your eyes out of your butt, and see the “Online” status which pings my username to the very top when Im online. Best you learn how to use TG properly man. Best learn how to use everything in your life - cos you clearly haven’t got following the rules of stuff down pat yet… poor fella.

Nah, you stick with your 9-5 man. I’ve never needed to rely on one since i was 19…

GL to you

[Benllay]

Loz,

Please show me ALL the accounts I have in the IB area, I wasn’t even with ICMarkets when you said you’d help me get back the £1,000.00 I lost because I didn’t set a SL following your rules I was with AVA Trade and again I’ll show you the proof in our private messages.

I joined ICMarkets and deposited £5,000.00 into it and let you have it and just over a week the account was blown down to £80.00. after that I built it up to about £800.00 and now it’s back to £44.91 that’s through my desperation trying to build my account back up because whenever I asked about you paying me back I kept on getting messages like “you’ll get it when you get it”. I do have another demo account with ICMarkets which currently has £5,436.79 in but like I’ve said I’m learning off a new mentor who in such a short period has taught me more than I’ve ever learnt from you.

I’ve not placed a signal trade since 6th March which ironically ties in with you paying me back I even have proof that even after you blew my account out and I started to build it back you placed another LOSING trade on my account!

I don’t need to trade to pay my bills like you need to Loz, I’m so content with the situation that I’m currently in with my new mentor; his teachings are far superior to anything that I’ve learnt in forex to date I always try to live my life as a “half full” sort of guy and after you paid me back I was willing to drop it and take the “Loz experience” as a very tough lesson learnt. I was glad that I was being taught by someone who provides a fully professional service and provides scheduled webinars with a Q&A sessions at the end. But after you posted on your groups about the situation and said I allowed you to hedge my account and play with 12.0 lots on a £5,000 account I had to say something. I didn’t even know what Hedging was until it was pointed out to me when I sent a video to others about how someone with at least 10 years experience in forex can blow £5,000 in just over a week.

Loz, you know nothing about my life and to think you do is just delusion, we were never close not at all we lent on you to provide us with a professional service that we were paying for which didn’t happen, Alex’s comment is 100% accurate and articulated with greater gusto that I could muster.

You have every reason to lie Loz, you depend on members to survive and any slant on you as a person needs to be denied and hushed quietly for fear that you members will have their eyes opened to the truth.

For everyone who reads I hope you can see Loz for who he really is and I had to come to a forum like this to voice my concerns as it’s a neutral place which isn’t controlled by Loz.

[AlexCook]

You still haven’t provided an IB agreement, nor proof of payment to these charities, which would still be fraud on your part if you were indeed keeping the money for yourself.

Please do explain, because I’m confused, in 2011 with 12 years experience would mean you have 18/19 years now depending on when in the year you started, or is my maths wrong?

I passed from years of hard-work at school, A-levels and University, no I didn’t cheat, I don’t think it’s right to get recognition for something you don’t deserve, albeit I think you may feel different from ‘your’ strategies. ‘Into Chemical bombs’?? I have a degree in Chemical Engineering and stated that they aren’t that difficult to make, I’d hardly class it as a hobby of mine, unless you’d like to twist anymore of what people say to suit your agenda? I’m stating that the lack of transparency regarding cancelling ones subscription and subsequent payments is suspicious, to say the least.

My maths isn’t good, thats why I got a maths & science scholarship to private school & thats why my University thermo-dynamics and fluid mechanics exams were at a First level then! Damn, I should have gone to the Loz Lawn school of maths, whereby you can gain 14 years experience in 7 short years.

I’ve not once told you how you should run your business, I told you I didn’t like how they were run, see the difference? Or would you prefer to carry on creating the image of the hard-done by guy, down on his luck that just wants to help everyone? And it matters because I paid you for a service which you have & still are denying me.

Please tell me what dribble I said, we have the screenshots of you posting exactly what I stated, so please tell me how you wish to deny it? Or is everyone else in the wrong and your god-complex is too gripping to see it?

[AlexCook]

We didn’t flag any of your comments up either, for any current or possible future members reading this, but this is the image he likes to portray for himself, the guy that everyone picks on whereby in reality its of his own making