Money Management

Hi All

I am very new to the forex market, barely 3 weeks old.

I did use a demo account for about 2 weeks (FXCM) and then i signed up with Easy Forex (live)

I made a couple of trades about a dozen in all usually with Eur/Usd and a few with Gbp/Usd.

I made some money and i lost most of it, including my initial deposit.

I have been reading some of the posts here and they say not to get to emotional or attached to trading. It sounds easy but boy when money is on the table…:o

I hope some kind soul can help me with a money management plan, i read the plan in the babypips school, about risking 2% of my total capital on EACH and EVERY trade. I just seem to be unable to practise it. Is it because of the platform? It seems that the margin for easy forex is always set to be like 25% and i can’t change it. So sometimes i just go with my gut feeling and place close to 50%, there were a few good trades, but when the market just went crazy on me (even when all the indicators seem right) i lost big.

To finish off, i was wondering just how about to come up with a money management plan and how to stick with it.

Thank you all for reading this!

Regards

G

well it all depends on your profit target, you can do a 2:1, 3:1,4:1 risk to reward ratio.Generally speaking you should stay away from putting 25% of your capital period, personally it all depends on your risk tolerance also.If your starting with 1k only you should not risk more than 6%, start small and work your way up. So my suggestion is to demo until you have doubled your demo account than go live, by then you should have learned how to manage and cut losses. Also in my eyes its better to start with at least 5k or so as your risk tolerance would be much higher.

Me personally after my trade gets positive I like to lock on my profits and let the trade ride until it reverses, so I adjust my stop loss and let my trade ride so I dont generally put a limit on it unless Im not near to exit.

Very simply… you’re not ready to trade live yet! Its not a bad thing, I know right now your excited about the prospect of trading and making money, but are you making money or losing money?

You’ve made the most common trader mistake. Going live way too soon! But don’t feel bad, many of us have been right where you are now!!! I only offer my personal insight on what can be done from this point forward to push you in what I believe to be the right direction.

Two weeks demo is no where near enough time to get things straight in terms of emotions. I would recommend a bare minimum of two months of solid, consistent success in demo before even considering going live. It also sounds like you were either too highly leveraged, trading too many lots, or were just plain underfunded. The good news is you learned your lesson for cheap.

The bad news is you need to add a lot of patience to this if you intend to do this successfully. I quit my job and started doing nothing but trading full time for an entire year before I really got the hang of the analysis, the trade management, and MOST IMPORTANTLY TRADING EMOTIONS!

Step 1. Go to amazon.com and order Trading in the Zone by Mark Douglas.
Step 2. Read it twice. It will save you thousands if you comprehend the issues he describes before you have to pay with your hard earned cash out of pocket. I must’ve paid well in excess of 5 grand learning the hard way. Reading the book would’ve been MUCH CHEAPER!
Step 3. DEMO DEMO DEMO. Don’t cheat yourself on this. Keep your entries consistent, don’t mess around with your strategy. Manage your trades just as you would if you had real money on the line. If you change any aspect of this and get positive results, but then alter them as soon as you go live you’ve just wasted all that time for nothing, and have set yourself up to give away more of your money.
Step 4. Go Live, but do so with a small amount of initial account balance (<400.00) and trade REAL SMALL (like maybe 1000’s with Oanda) and systematically work your size up every week. If you start faltering do to the $ amount risk increasing you’ve got more work to do and decrease the size back down.

As far as management goes…
Think of EVERY trade setup in terms of Risk:Reward. If you enter at point X, where can you safely set your stop loss, and then at what price must price action move to to equal 2x’s your initial stop loss. You should be able to answer these questions before you risk the trade. If you can’t reasonably foresee a 2:1 ratio playing out successfully its time to wait for a better price, or a better setup all together.

If your “losing big… …when the market just went crazy on me” you aren’t using stops effectively in your strategy and you most certainly aren’t employing any kind of risk:reward logic in your trade setups. I cannot stress the importance of thinking about every trade in these terms. Solid money management can turn systems with 33% success rates into profitable system. Poor management can turn 75% win rates into losing systems.

If you can provide us with some kind of time frame, normal profit pips you take, etc. maybe we can provide some more in depth analysis on what can benefit you for money management.

Hope this helps!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Cheers! (White Russian in Hand!!! :smiley: )

You go to a surgeon and he says I have read a couple of books, been doing this for 2 weeks, have had some successes but some patients died and when the going got tough I had no idea what to do. Get the picture? Do you let him operate on you or get the hell out of there? Get real. This is a tough business which takes years to master

I won’t disagree with this stuff, but Step 0 needs to be develop a working trading methodology. Everything else is meaningless if you don’t have one.

My second comment is that margin and risk are not the same thing. When you talk about putting a minimum of 25% into a trade, that sounds like your margin deposit. When you read about risking 2% that is based on the loss you would take if price movement goes against you, not how much margin you put up.

I am very new to the forex market, barely 3 weeks old.

I did use a demo account for about 2 weeks (FXCM) and then i signed up with Easy Forex (live)

I made a couple of trades about a dozen in all usually with Eur/Usd and a few with Gbp/Usd.

I made some money and i lost most of it…

I can only echo what all the other posters have written here.

By losing in a live account you have proved that you need to
demo more. Get a system, this includes money management,
even if it’s only 20 pips S/L & 40 pips T/P (1:2, Risk:Reward)
& stick to it.

Another failing of newbies is to think that they have taken the
correct trade, & that the market will turn around soon. It won’t.

Take the loss & re-analyse the market, you got it wrong.

Demo until you are happy with your system, then go live.

money management is the hardest thing to manage in this business. if your looking to change your skills and get back into the market here what to do

  1. stop trading live - go back to demoing they recomend 2 months on here but if your seriously thinking about doing this professional do it for 6 months.

  2. Find a trading plan and stick with. (plan your trade and trade your plan) this doesnt come with the first shot either.

  3. rsik/reward ratio

  4. leverage-can be your friend or your enemy. this case it sounds like your enemy

  5. Set it and forget it. Put in your limits and wait for them to get hit. if its a loss then its a loss. Bad trade thats all.

  6. DO NOT CHASE YOUR LOSS TRADES. do not go from a loss with 1 lot to trying to catch it back by trading 2 lots your next trade. your money will disappear.

all of this has been said many many times on this site, but what you actually have to do is take the advice of the people on here that are giving it to. A lot of these guys are very experienced and can really help you go from a newbie to a pro, but its not going to happen in 1 month. Traders that were trading for 10 years lose money, its not a perfect business. But as i have learned from the advice of my friends on here (probobly the most important thing) Trade only what you can afford to lose and have premium money management skills. If you dont have the money managemnt skills, get use to seeing your money magically disappear into the market

Jibby

Hi Folks

Thank you all for your great advice. I think i really need to go back to the demo and work out all the kinks in my strategy.

Once again thank you all for your kind help!:slight_smile: