Mouteki Trading

Can anyone who has tested the system live let us know a general idea for what your average profit projection was? Also how often did it hit?

The reason I ask is this.

If, for example the average profit projection is 100 pips, and 50% of the time it gets to that point, than a TP can be used from the PP.

But if a 75 pip profit is reached 75% of the time then it would be better to place a TP there.

After all how much would it suck to expect 200 pips, place your TP there, then see it move to within 50 pips and reverse trend and stop out!

As to stop outs, I will follow my 25 or 30 pip rule, which gives me 3-4:1 leverage.

I have uploaded a stop loss applic on this thread… take a look, if if r having 40+ pips profited, its advise u locked in +10 pips to prevent a winning trade to a losing trade.

Nice day!
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Ok, so I figured out how to make the trend lines on Oanda, and I have a few questions.

  1. Is a 3 hour chart ok instead of 4? Will this totally screw up the system?

  2. Once a entry is signaled, do you jump in right away based purely on the chart or do you use a smaller time frame to time a better entrance?

  3. If so, do you time the entrance useing other system such as EMA crossover and stochastic, MCAD or RSI?

  4. Finally, Icycloud, I am afraid I don’t understand your reply to my previous query. Are you saying to take 10 pip profits no matter what the expected profit is? Or take 1/4th of the expected profit.

+10 seems to indicate you want to take a bigger profit than projected but your concearn about winning trades becoming losers says otherwise. Please clarify what your position on tp is.

  1. Stop losses, I believe icycloud said he uses 50 pip stops. Please tell us, how does this work.

I myself am enamored with 25 pip losses because they allow 4:1 leverage while risking 1% of my balance, and are a mere 5 pips smaller than the example used in pip school, in which 30 pip losses are used when trading 1 day charts.

I would appreciate hearing from others who trade this or similar systems, or even just 3 or 4 hour charts, what stops do you find most usefull.

Obviously the goal is to find the smallest stop amount that prevents excessive stop outs, and means profits are more often likely to exceed losses. It also means that leverage can increase while still risking 1%, a great method of balanceing the desire to maximize profits while manageing money wizely.

Use the basic system to get the trend line and then profit projection against the latest trend. PP is from the open price of the first candle below trend line. This gives the price at which TP should occur.

But the currency I just sold short, CAD/JPY has its current candle below trend, and it’s price is slightly different than the open.

PP is 75.1 pips, but from the price now its only 64.3 pips.

How I set TP is this. 75% of projected profit from current market price rounded to the nearest 5 place. For example from current price, PP is 64.3 pips, 75% is 48 pips so I said 50, to eak out a slightly larger gain. Still think I am being conservative enough for safe TP instead of loss.

Speaking of which, SL is set at 1/2 of TP, so in this case 25 pip stop loss is set, for leverage of 4:1.

So far I have checked all the major pairs that have signifigant trends, specifically AUD/JPY, AUD/USD, EUR/CHF, and USD/JPY. Unfortunately the largest PP for any of those is only 44.5 pips. Which is why I am exploring other more choppier pairs, which have larger swings and thus seem more likely to offer bigger potential profits.

I am now on my way to seeing if there are other trend breakouts in progress. Will report those once I have made the trades.

Happy hunting.

PS. Please offer any advice if you think I have made a grevious error in SL, TP or charts, I am useign 3 hour since that is all I have.

sorry for hogging the board, I am just so exited by this system.

Right Now I made the trade long GBP/USD, with PP from this point at 54.5 pips. 75% is 41 so I went for TP of 40 pips and SL 20. This means 5:1 leverage, which is the highest I have ever tried! I love living dangerously and still risking only 1% of my balance!

Will report back on how it does!

Just had a great idea, I think. Use the trend lines on a strong ongoing trend!

For example right now GBP/JPY is very strong up trend, both 3 hr and 30 min confirm.

So useing the trend lines I calculated how high this trend should go, about 41 pips from this point. So I set TP of 30, SL of 15 and bam!, suddenly I am gunning for a 2% gain while risking 1% and at 8.2:1 leverage no less!

This is wild! Will keep searching for other ongoing trends and see if I can’t go for gold while taking small pip profits off of strong trends!

Hi, i try my best to answer your Q :slight_smile:

1)It’s Strongly Recommended to use a 4 hr chart, However if u profitted from 3 hour chart. Go ahead. =)

2)Once a signal is generated, i would Trade the market.

3)I dont use any other indicators.

4)To protect winning positions, when any trade is 40 pips in profit, it is strongly advised to change your stop to 10 pips profit. This technique was derived after seeing several trades in large profits turn bad. The worst thing I believe for a trader to see, is a profitable position turn negative. This way you at least lock in 10 pips profit by moving your stop once in profit 40 pips.

I believe u have read the 1st post on caculating the pips projection.
For trades with less than a 90 pip price projection a stop loss of 50% of the price projection is used. This creates a 2:1 reward/risk ratio. EG TP +90 SL -45

For trades with a price projection of 90 pips and greater a stop loss of 33% of the calculated price projection is used. This creates a 3:1 reward/risk ratio. EG TP +100 SL-33

Good day and regrads
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icycloud, thank you for explaining.

Your 40 pip +10 sl is a great idea, I will use it for other systems.

Also your below 90 above 90 idea is also fantastic.

Overall, last night was a wash.

GBP?USD was TP, CAD/JPY and GBP/JPY stopped out.

Today I am busy with other systems so I only had time to find 1 trend, already in progress, the EUR/USD rally.

The trend lines said 47 pips left in at the time I went long, so I have TP of 35 and 17.5 sl.

right now trade is 6.5 pips down.

Hopefully this system will prove useful next week.

Lot’s of good trades using the Mouteki method this week. Just wish I was awake to catch the signals :rolleyes:

one of the latest very good trade was AUD/USD
in mt4. As you can sees, the opening cadle we jump in… not even a neagtive pips at all. Hope everyone had a gd catch!

Sorry for the lousy cut and paste effect… my computer knowledge is newbie
>.<

Best Regrads.


Icycloud,

Hey, haven’t heard much on the Mouteki method as of late and was wondering how you are still doing with it?

Adam

Good day adams…u bought this thread alive… one of the latest trade which i’m still holding is AUD/USD. the stop loss is lock at positive 200 pips for me now… one of the best trade… :smiley:


IcyCloud,

Hey, that’s great to hear. I have been doing pretty well myself and I have even been trying this hour on the 1 hour time frame and even the 30 mins. One thing I do change though is the exit area. I still project the t/p by the Mouteki method but I use some discretionary as to candle action to maybe close trades out if they seem not to have enough stamina to make it to the projected t/p. Good to hear your bagging the pips. Have a good one and yea lets keep this thread alive.

Adam

Adams,

Feels free to post some feedback about using different time frames…

Good day!

yah congrats man

I am using “connecting lines” (in post 38 above image) instead of candles to draw my trend lines. Its very clear where to find the swing lows and swing highs which gives you the intended logical price action.

My question is:
Can you use connecting lines instead of candles to find mouteki point1 and point2?

Will it yeild the same result?

I also like to use Mouteki System
But I use it in 4 TF
I think it’s more accurate :slight_smile:

Is anyone here still following this? Has anyone tried using it in 5M TF?

I’m curious if anyone follows this as well. Just seemed to die lol.

I still use this method…LOL!!!

I actually just joined this forum to bring this thread back to life…

This is actually based off of my first method from forexfactory in 2006 and I have also released a new method in 2008.

If you guys want, I am here to start this back up, so I guess it is up to you…

Hopefully some questions will be asked to fuel the fire…

Good Luck and Happy Trading,
-M