Question about Brexit

[Falstaff]

Thats pretty much true. the one good thing thats come out of it all is that now the general public know how much of a load of rubbish our members of parliment are. they are literally useless.

we wont want to apply to get back in the Eu because it will crumble. Once the Uk leaves then the knock on affect will occur. Theres too much difference in the lowest economy providers and the largest providers in europe for the euro to survive long term. it will fall, even germany who are powerhouses are starting to decline, look ad the GDP and the bank rates.

The uk are a big importer of many products across eurpoe, they wil want our business still,and new deals wil be made, mid to long term the UK will thrive.

There is a lot of sense and truth in this post !

If you want to see some of the thought behind it look here

Sinking Ship

However, there is nothing I can argue with here either !

The EU will not crumble, nor will the UK - business will survive on both sides.

Trade deals are not easily made, there is a forest of bureaucracy and politics to navigate, e.g the plan of Liam Fox was to roll over existing EU deals with non EU countries. He said it would be easy in a no deal scenario. The plan was for 40 such deals by yesterday - he has 8 including with the Palestinian Authority and Faroe Islands.

The easiest of these should have been CHF and so it was, they are the largest of the 8.

Problem is that our astute politicians often forget that it’s business that conduct the deals and decisions on buying/selling never take account of politics.

The Swiss deal in a no deal situation is useless, if in Switzerland I buy from UK tariff free under the Liam Fox agreement, then attempt to resell to my largest market - the EU - I will face sales tariffs - country of origin rules.

Perhaps an explanation of why the PM has changed from no deal vs bad deal etc.

The chances of a no deal by default have increased quite substantially.

Edit: Uk will not be able to reapply with GBP as it’s currency so the exit will be permanent when it happens.

@peterma and I hold opposing views on the EU - basically because we are looking at different things !

He is clearly a very intelligent man with an agenda which revolves entirely around his personal wellbeing and prosperity - And who can argue with that ?

I have no such tie with the EU and have the luxury of being able to look at the Uk Membership from a somewhat detatched viewpoint

My own view is that in the longer term, the Euro is a “Dead man walking” and if we are still associated with it WHEN the “Euro Banks” collapse, Brussels will insist that we throw in a nation destroying amount of money to “Stem the collapse of the Banks” Not the same thing at all

I take a more fundamental view - as I was at something else in this thread ;

Bearish false coinage !

We now have “May’s deal” as the only option the government will countenance - and it doesn’t seem to matter whether you talk to “Remoaners” or “brexiteers” - we all seem to agree that “May’s deal” is the absolute worst - worse than “Remain” and also worse than WTO terms !

Only 14% of the population are content with “May’s deal” it seems - I guess they are the one’s who shouldn’t really be let out in the streets on their own !