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money management

here were gonna discuss

SL/TP’s
diversification
Risk/Reward Ratios
Market Breaks
exposure

SL/TP’s

stop loss and take profits are one way to skew the probability of success in our direction… imagine using no indicators but 6 or so pairs of currencies at once so we open these pairs have no relation to each other or at least minimal relation to each other. and we set a basic stop loss of 100 and a take profit of 250.

pair one SL=100 TP=250
pair two Sl=100 TP=250
pair three SL=100 TP= 250
pair four SL = 100 TP=250
pair five SL = 100 TP=250
pair six SL=100 TP=250

lets say we use the basic macd swingline tradestyle which is backtested to have a 47% accuracy a picking movement in one direction on a daily chart. and lets say that each pip is 1 buck
lets round this 47% down to 45% so this is our success rate at meeting goals well you think that 45% of the time we win a 55% we lose so were not profitable well lets look. that means 3 trades win so we take 750 pip profit and -300 pip loss setting us up 450 pips. now lets lower our success rate to 35% now only 2 trades win and 4 lose well 500 pip gain vrs -400 pip loss = 100 net pip gain you’ve made 100 bucks at 35% success rate. so our tp and Sl’s are important which brings us to what should i set my TP/SL with?

well we are crossing level ratio based… so we need to determine how far the price would have to move to cause a significant price change and break the trend we are watching.

well if price is 1.9950 with a clevel of .5% well a clevel of 0 would indicate another cross downward which would be in the opposite direction. so 0% would be bad for our trend and would change our decisions. so @ 1.995 with clvl of .5 well say x/1.9950 = .5 so 1.9950*.5% would be x or macd/signal difference so that in the opposite direction would cause a cross… so 99.7pips judging from this we would be in a high period indicator settings. so our normal SL would be 99.7 pips but what is their is high volatility like now… well this is were ATR comes in we use atr to get a base number lets say atr registers 118…now this show deccent volatility and we wouldnt want to get falsely stopped out by this volatility so naturally wed take the ATR but if there is another system bringing other traders into play they are probably using atr to set their stops as well which mean we dont want to HERD… so we use a odd multiple of ATR larger then herd stop so well take -.5 -.5% difference thus 1% leading us to 2*99.7 pips = about 200 pips +ATR VALUE 118=318/2 = 159 pip stop. and we are out of herd range by 41 pips and if we hit this or closed and 2/3 of this wed be in a new trend so its a definative value. its a stop with a purpose.

now setting a TP well if our goal is 3% lets get to 3% :slight_smile: using 1.9950 as our price and we are in at .5% already easy enough if we figured out our .5%= 99.7pips and the distance from .5 to 3 is 5-.5 units of 99.7 pips thus we set our tp at 4.5*99.7 pips=448.65 pips so at 96% accuracy with this system our natural stop loss/ tp risk/reward is 448.65:159 = 2.82 to 1
now we can show our suc rate with those 6 pairs out at once.
pair 1 SL=159 TP = 448.65
pair2 same
pair3 same
pair4 same
pair5 same
pair6 same
at 96% well let one fail which says we are less successful than 96% but

5448.65 pips = 2,243.55 pips
1
159 pips = -159 pips
2243.55-159=1925.55 pips total profit now this is on the daily probably and its a long term probably monthly goal.

NOW DIVERSIFICATION

WANT TO BE DIVERSIFIED in FX

many experts say 1 FX pair at a time while this is true its true because beginners want to scalp and shave pips and feel the need to overtrade and analyze to much. they cant manage multiple pairs and the dont understand the correlation between pairs just yet. while i wont get to outta control with this ill lay the idea if you want to learn more look up currency arbitrage or currency pairs trading youll learn alot. Now i trade on a longer frame so i can manage more currencies because of this i can increase my exposure to the FX market while still keeping pace with my exposure rules.( more to come)

managing multiple currencies at long term frames can increase your pipage exponentially by account size. now you need to pick you risk rate VRS account size for yourself i use 2%… if i have 100,000 for each pair i use 2% at 5:1 leverage ill take 2k leverage by 5 *2000=10k per pair with a 10% exposure at 5:1 so 50k exposure at anytime so i manage 5 pairs unrelated to each other

what does this mean for your account well 5 open pairs equal in size unrelated to each other have reset probabilities meaning they have their own set and dont rely on each other. so each have your rate of success if one closes and hit the TP target or SL target you can reopen another pair while adjust new 2% of account realized balance.

means more pips for u.

risk/reward

always have a better reward for points of risk its called a risk premium how much you make for risking your money. 1 risk to 1 reward makes NO sense dont do it SL 100 VRS 100 tp doesnt make sense dont do it.

thats all i got to say about that

Market Breaks

SAT SUN breaks in the market can cause changes in what the open will do it could change direction no matter its .5%-3% position watch the news over the weekends and act accordingly.

Exposure

Exposure we already sort of discussed this Exposure is how much of you unleveraged position you want to risk in the market
10% exposure on a 100k account is 10k then add your leverage 5:1 would be 50k in the market leveraged. this will determine how many pairs you can open and your individual risk lvl per pair 10% means 5 @ 2% risk per pair or you could do 2 pairs at 5% risk each tho i wouldnt recommend it. i recommend 2% more pairs is better diversification and better diversification is best.

done with money management ill wait for questions then ill start another post.

OK…several questions/clarifications. First, to back up a bit, you’ve mentioned before:

So from an earlier chart:

I’ll post additional questions separately.

yup i havent figured out a way to do it mathematically yet its jsut plug and check at this point.

So if the price was the same, 1.9950 and the clevel was 1%, the SL would be 1.9950*1%=199.5 pips = 1.9300, correct?

This is where it gets confusing and I think it has been the most confusing part from the start for those of us new to this system. I think it goes back to my post with the image:

So the range of the MACDC% histogram is somehow always -5 to 5? I understand that .5% in this example is 99.7 pips, but how does the number 5 relate to 3%? I think if this gets clarified, everything should come together.

Are the numbers always multiples of 12/26/9 ? And when you say 5 does it mean .5xxx, or .05xxxx?

yes ill only use these multiples lets say you change the multiple to 12/26/20
the signal line becomes almost rigid while macd flux giving wild unreliable readings. makeing the entrance = exit because of how smooth sig line is… if it was shorter than 9 youd get false entrance and exit signals at 96% 34,77,25 at 80% 12,26,9

.5 is our entrance if it moved up to 1% which would be one unit 99.7 youd be that much further from your set stop. cause it should have been set at .5 and it your trying to come in at one your changing the system your coming in late… but if you came in a .5 and set at 99.7 and you moved to one you would be 199.5 pips away from the stop loss you set.

This is where it gets confusing and I think it has been the most confusing part from the start for those of us new to this system. I think it goes back to my post with the image:

So the range of the MACDC% histogram is somehow always -5 to 5? I understand that .5% in this example is 99.7 pips, but how does the number 5 relate to 3%? I think if this gets clarified, everything should come together.

from .5 to 3 a certain amount of price action will exist its like BolingerBands set a standard dev 2 certain amount of price action exists between these bands if you set a 3rd stand dev band out side of the 2nd and price moves outside of the 2nd into the 3rd its seen as a price extreme or a statistical outlier with these settings(MACDC%multiple 12,26,9) on the MAIN trend where 5 to -5 exists in that statistical dev. price movement has a 96% chance of passing through .5% to 3% in linear motion and 65% chance of passing through .5 to 5% and less than 15% chance of passing through .5 to 7% and less than 5% of passing through .5 to 9% and the one time i saw it hit 12% on a random run which has prob less than 1% chance of happening it quickly peaked and plummeted neg. so your question why five and 3 and how they relate thats it… 99.7 is the distance if price was to abruptly change direction lets say hit .5 we enter and it moves .75 then changes we set a stop 99.7 pips below that .5 mark which is when the MACD changes and signal line change and cross and more downward showing new developing trend which gets us out before the big move happens which is always at the cross. 99.7 is the albeit end all of this trend as we see it its the number of no return of the trend we were watching.

well eur/aud short was closed that live trade we opened up

reason… mt4 was acting up and not updating price it was suck opn 1.889something when actualy price in oanda was 1.8710 so we closed at 1.8710 heres the frozen picture i dunno why its like this so i cant show you my exit strat.
edit: left with small 120ish pips cause of that glitch but its still moving its now 1.867 so im ticked


So 34/77/25 isn’t any exact multiple of 12/26/9. How did you get those numbers and how do you even know what numbers to start plugging in when you begin? Help me get this right. Currently, the EUR/USD H1 numbers should be 12/26/9 because that shows a range from -0.63974 to .566897. From what you’ve said (and how the numbers change on the chart) those would have to change if we switched time frames, yes? How do you choose?

nope not an exact multiple if you wanna be exact its 36/78/27

How did you get those numbers and how do you even know what numbers to start plugging in when you begin?

im assuming your talking about 34/77/25? well i got it through testing ive posted a chart of my test…

Help me get this right. Currently, the EUR/USD H1 numbers should be 12/26/9

no doesnt have to be anything i look at it differently i should have broken it down and used the numbers that made it 5 to -5 but im a bad explainer :).

because that shows a range from -0.63974 to .566897. From what you’ve said (and how the numbers change on the chart) those would have to change if we switched time frames, yes? How do you choose?

as someone looking at it from the aspect of … i want to enter at .5 and exit at 3% yes youd have to change the numbers… how do you choose…? :slight_smile:
i made a modification for you to make this process easier here is the new code

//±-----------------------------------------------------------------+
//| MACD CROSSING LEVEL.mq4 |
//| Chris E |
//| |
//±-----------------------------------------------------------------+
#property copyright “Chris E”
#property link “”

#property indicator_separate_window
#property indicator_buffers 3
#property indicator_color1 Red
#property indicator_color2 Silver
#property indicator_color3 Yellow
#property indicator_width1 2
#property indicator_width2 2
#property indicator_width3 2
//---- input parameters
extern int FastEMA=36;
extern int SlowEMA=78;
extern int SignalSMA=27;
extern int Clevel=10;
//---- buffers
double MacdBuffer[];
double SignalBuffer[];
double ClevelBuffer[];
double RClevelBuffer[];
//±-----------------------------------------------------------------+
//| Custom indicator initialization function |
//±-----------------------------------------------------------------+
int init()
{
//---- drawing settings
SetIndexStyle(0,DRAW_NONE);
SetIndexStyle(1,DRAW_NONE);
SetIndexStyle(2,DRAW_HISTOGRAM);
SetIndexDrawBegin(1,SignalSMA);
IndicatorDigits(Digits+3);
//---- indicate buffers mapping
SetIndexBuffer(0,MacdBuffer);
SetIndexBuffer(1,SignalBuffer);
SetIndexBuffer(2,ClevelBuffer);
SetIndexBuffer(3,RClevelBuffer);
//---- name for datawindow and indicator subwindow label
IndicatorShortName(“MACD CROSSING LEVEL”);
SetIndexLabel(0,“MACD”);
SetIndexLabel(1,“Signal”);
SetIndexLabel(2,“CLevel”);
//---- initialization done
return(0);
}
//----- No Defining Functions

//±-----------------------------------------------------------------+
//| Custom indicator iteration function |
//±-----------------------------------------------------------------+
int start()
{
int limit;
int counted_bars=IndicatorCounted();
//----recounting last counted bar
if(counted_bars>0) counted_bars–;
limit=Bars-counted_bars;
//----Count MACD in first buffer
for(int i=0; i<limit; i++)
MacdBuffer[i]=iMA(NULL,0,FastEMA,0,MODE_EMA,PRICE_CLOSE,i)-iMA(NULL,0,SlowEMA,0,MODE_EMA,PRICE_CLOSE,i);
//----signal
for(i=0; i<limit; i++)
SignalBuffer[i]=iMAOnArray(MacdBuffer,Bars,SignalSMA,0,MODE_SMA,i);
//---- counting Clevel in 3rd Buffer
for(i=0; i<limit; i++)
ClevelBuffer[i]=100*((MacdBuffer[i]-SignalBuffer[i])*(Clevel)/(PRICE_OPEN));
return(0);
}
//±---------------------------------------------------------

now for hourly clevel =10 for monthly clevel option =1

EDIT: added graph of accuracy for different periods in formula


I’m still trying to wrap my head around the -5 to 5 thing. Here are 2 screen shots, both with the same settings, the bigger one is just magnified:

So the reason the smaller shows -6 to 6 is because farther back on the chart the histogram was large enough to need that range. Once magnified, only -3 to 3 was needed. Am I completely missing this?

Either way, the C% right now shows -.6% and am I mistaken or does it show positive slope? Would we want to buy now (not quite since price hasn’t crossed 20EMA) or wait until it’s +.5%? My brain hurts. :wink:

So what I think I’m seeing is this: it doesn’t matter so much what the range on the chart is, the .5-3% remains constant. It would almost seem to me that we wouldn’t have to calculate TP, just wait for c% to hit 3%. That seems to be the peak usually. The fact that the chart with more bars showed a range of -6 to 6 is simply because a movement or 2 went higher than 3%. Am I on the right track?

try using that new mql4 code that i posted it should adjust the values for you. adjust clevel = numbers and itll make the numbers whole numbers… i tried to cut out some confusion.

So the reason the smaller shows -6 to 6 is because farther back on the chart the histogram was large enough to need that range. Once magnified, only -3 to 3 was needed. Am I completely missing this?

yeah you have a higher statistical chance of hitting 3% than 6%… 6% is like a huge statistical outlier… the new code i wrote using in a unique clevel number to adjust the distance to price ratio will increase this and put more data between .5- 3% this is the way it should probably be done and explained.

Either way, the C% right now shows -.6% and am I mistaken or does it show positive slope? Would we want to buy now (not quite since price hasn’t crossed 20EMA) or wait until it’s +.5%? My brain hurts. :wink:

yeah your getting in early like if it goes from -.5 to -3 and you exit … you can wait till 3 is hit and go -3 to -.5 the biggest price change is right during the cross… like have you ever noticed when macd crossed right at that point there is a huge run and you dont know i you should let it retrace or enter… well if it has a positive slope but its .5 odds are its moving to .5 and if it moves to .5 itll move to 3 with 96% accuracy your just entering earlier this is what i do so yeah your catching on. biggest price movement is often at the cross but sometimes if you enter earlier ill pull back to -.5 and see another run to -3 but thats the risk you take … thats why i say beginners should wait for the 20 period ema cross and .5 to 3 area because thats where the high success rate is. but when you start to understand the system better you can play those -6% pul backs and 12% pull backs which in other systems would be pure fade trades or fade trades also inner extreme trades. using BB’s this system can be used many ways.

yeah i dont calculate tps. often unless im leaving the computer screen… yeah your on the right track.

sorry but what do you mean by positive slope ? do you talk about price action ?

OK…everything’s becoming clearer. See if this is all correct:

Tell me what settings you’d use on USD/JPY 1H today…all the C% numbers look huge.

heres my same chart for this

long trend loosing power… intermediate trend starting … short… on the hourly

so yeah your right many factors towards end of day can keep it from hitting 3 in mornings and transition periods where you dont have power behind the move you may only hit 2 just something to keep in mind


id use like 1/3=Clevel

slope means C% changing is becoming more positive.