Teach me your profitable trading-style and you will get 25.000 euro

Hello traders,

I guess the headline attracted your attention and you want to know what this is about.
In the last years I learned a lot about the trading industry. It is full of scammers and people trying to sell systems, indicators, robots, 100% proven trade methods and all this kind of BS. But this posting is only for the very few traders (I hope at least one reads it) who are trading profitably for a longer period of time.
All people who think they can make fast and easy 25K overnight here should stop reading now. This is not for you. I won’t buy anything.

I have been trading stocks for over 15 years. My main focus was on arbitrage trades but unfortunately the computer algorithms forced me to stop this kind of trading. So I started studying chart trading some years ago. But whatever I have studied, there was always a big factor called discretion/interpretation that resulted in uncertainty and ambiguity. When I was trading stocks I had 100% mechanical rules and I just followed them. I haven’t found that kind of certainty in pure chart trading yet. Maybe I’ll never find it but this is what this posting is about.

In the last years I came across a lot of different coaches. But my experience with coaches is that they teach some nice ideas and concepts but all in all they didn’t work for me in live markets. Many things looked really nice afterwards but that doesn’t help me with trading. So if you are a real trader and you trade profitably for a longer perdiod of time, I want you to teach me trading. I don’t care what you trade. Futures, currencies, stocks, bonds, CFDs… all is ok for me. And I also don’t care how you trade. Supply/Demand, indicator-based trading like MACD, RSI, Bollinger Bands…, Elliott waves, Fibonacci, pullbacks, breakouts, moving averages, Gann, candlestick patterns, volume-based trading… However you trade, I don’t care. Everything is fine for me as long as you are consistently profitable. I also don’t care if you trade your own method or if you copy (or learned from) someone else. Whatever you do, I’m interested to learn from you as long as your trading style meets my following requirements

The first one is a stable equity curve. I don’t need thousands of pips or 100%+ a month. I don’t want to see an equity curve like a roller coaster. I prefer a boring trading style without any thrills. The trading method should give at least 5% on average monthly if the risk is 1% per trade. If this is done by one trade a week, it’s fine. If this is done by a couple of trades every day, it’s also fine. But the less trades the better because I don’t want to make the broker too rich and scalping can be very exhausting…

The second requirement is that the method must be as mechanical as possible. No guesswork, no gut-feeling. I read so often “First you have to determine the trend”. This is the biggest bull**** ever. What is a trend? Is it according to the Dow-Theory a series of higher highs and higher lows for an uptrend? Or is there only a trend when you can draw a trendline? Which points do you exactly connect to draw a valid trendline? Or is the trend defined by a moving average? If price is above SMA 50 the trend is up? Or do you use a moving average crossover? Or do you count impulsive and corrective waves? In my opinion defining a trend is very subjective because there is no mathematical definition. The trend is a trend as you define it. IF you have a clear definition of a trend, I’ll be happy to use it. But it must be always the same definition to achieve consistency.
Or this: you look at a chart with 100 candles. What’s the trend? Squeeze it a bit and look at 200 candles. Oops, the trend might have changed. But which one is the correct one? The more candles, the better? Or is just the very recent price action of interest? There is no right or wrong. It’s all about defining rules. Then we have long term trend, intermediate trend, short term trend… Not for me! I don’t want to put my money at risk without having absolutely clear rules. I don’t care if these rules really define a trend but at least rules give consistency. Whatever the rules might be… Ok, I think you got the point. Your trading method must be very clear and rule-based.

The third point was already mentioned within the first one. Risk control. I will not risk more than 1% per trade. Like I said, I don’t need to get rich overnight, I want to build up a serious business and the only thing I can control is the money I put at risk. So risk management is very important to me.

Why should you teach me your trading method?
Because I pay for it. But I don’t pay in advance. I offer capital to trade. We would start with a 10.000 Euro account. After 3 months we would check the performance. If it meets the expectations, I will double the account. If the results of the following 3 months are also in line with the expectations I would double it again and probably I would double it again after the next 3 months. You as the coach will get 50% of all wins at the end of a month. We do that until I payed you 25.000 Euro. And if you are interested and we have a good business relationship we can continue this partnership for a much longer time.

If you are interested, this will be the procedure:
You (or I) open a demo account. This demo account is to show me that you are really trading as I described in the requirements above. I know that one month doesn’t prove long-term profitability but that’s ok for me. I can see if somebody is really trading with discipline and patience or just gambling. If you are trading with MT4 or MT5 we can connect the demo account to a service like myfxbook.com and if you trade futures, options or stocks we need to do a manual analysis with Excel or so. Of course trades must be accounced in real time with entry, stop and (optional) possible target. This test month must be 100% transparent.
As soon as this month is over and all requirements and expectations are met, we can go live.

When we go live, we should begin with the coaching sessions. We can do that by voice chat on Skype or Teamviewer or if you prefer to write, we can also do it by email or in another written form. It’s up to you. I’m located at GMT+2 and I’m very flexible with my time.

At the end of a profitable month I send you your part of the money. I can do that by bank transfer, PayPal, Western Union… whatever you like. I don’t care.

By the way, this is NOT a competition! I would like to work with more traders and every trader whose trading meets the requirements can become my business partner.

And please keep in mind that this is no place to make quick money by selling some BS. You only earn money if you are trading consistently profitable.

If you are interested in a partnership, please write a private message.

PS. You might have read this text before because I posted it into 4 forums to reach as many traders as possible. There are always people who are angry about double postings but in this case I hope you understand that.

Many things you say above are doubtless very sensible and very realistic.

However, I think there may be one fly in the ointment with your proposal: namely that anyone who can satisfy all your criteria wouldn’t realistically [B][U]need[/U][/B] your 10,000 Euro account for 3 months (if not in any other way, because they’d be able to use a long-established, well-respected service such as TopStepTrader and qualify for a $150,000 TST-funded account within one month, from which they’d be paid 80% of the profits, subject to satisfying TST’s risk-control parameters, rather than relying on a stranger they’ve just met through a forum.)

So my suspicion is that your proposition may be self-defeating in the sense that someone truly qualified for it, more or less by definition, simply doesn’t need it?

Apologies indeed for greeting you with a potentially disillusioning thought, but I’m slightly puzzled that someone who understands the markets and “the lie of the land” as you appear to seems not fully to have thought through this all-too-apparent drawback? :33:

I’m text me in private message

if you like we can come together but i dont want any of your money in any way. i have something different in mind than money.

PM me if ur interested.

You mean you don’t meet the criteria then, right?

Means you don’t understand the answer!

@lexys: Believe me, I had a lot of thoughts about what you said. But what would have happened if I get no response to my posting? What do I have to lose? Nothing. I know profitable traders are very very rare. But I don’t need a lot of them. I just need one. So I took the chance and wrote this posting. In other forums I got a lot of response and I have to check everything out carefully. But looking at the situation right now, I am happy having done this posting.
Additionally I wrote that the business relationship CAN end with 25000 Euro but it can go much further…

More specifically, you need one willing to do this for a much smaller-than-normal profit-share on a small account, when there are long-established, well-respected people in the industry offering far better terms; and you need one with real, proven trading skills who - for some reason - can’t raise any funding of their own at all(?); and you need them also to be willing to disclose and teach their method, too(??)

Well, I see the “nothing ventured, nothing gained” aspect, from your perspective, I suppose - and I wish you good luck. I promise I don’t mean it rudely, but I think your search really takes “optimism” to a very high level. I’d be [I]very[/I] careful indeed assessing the applicants, if I were you. :19: