That's interesting Brexit v Global Warming

Personally I never find ignorance humorous - just sad

This certainly fails to fill me full of mirth - but then I suppose we are all different ;

2700 real people killed every winter in the UK - by your lack of understanding and only likely to get worse !

Your “facts” are so far off the mark, no doubt old age is catching up on you.

“If I remember correctly…” beginning to sound like a former poster on here from Oz who also quoted a lot of uncoroborated nonsense.

Just had the hottest Easter since whenever, well actually the BBC reported:

Three of the UK’s nations have recorded their highest ever Easter Sunday temperatures, the Met Office has said

Bottom line is I’m sunburned at Easter for the first time in my 60 odd years of being on this earth.

Now if I have to choose Brexit v Warming - think I’ll choose the heat :slight_smile:

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Why don’t YOU tell me what the real figures are then ? - Oh sorry = I know you don’t actually Have Any knowledge of the subject.

Here’s a story from Australia - It’s worldwide !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1sH0kqTE9E

But I suppose as long as it doesn’t pauperise “Eddie” - it’s fine for others to suffer.

Today even beat that - BBC reports:

It has been the hottest Easter Monday on record in all four nations of the UK, the Met Office has said.

It just so happens that my favourite place on the Spanish Costa del Sol has a different record for Easter:

TorreviejaEaster

Yet again, you fail to come up with any hard figures. No surprise!

Have I ever taken sides in this? I have merely pointed out some of your many inaccuracies.

The real global warming risk is thermonuclear warming. While politicians push global warming so they can invent new taxes, real problems and risks in our world are pushed to the side.

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Now when I started this thread, it was in observation that the pointless “Global warming” protests were getting way more media coverage than the Brexit issue, which I regard as vital for the wellbeing of my country.

I thought at that time they were competing issues.

Now it seems that it is quite likely that there is a causal relationship between these ridiculous “Accords” which a few of us take to heart and the rest of the world just signs with fingers crossed behind their backs.

Here is a short take from a guy in Canada which rightly links “Yellow vests” and issues in his own country to taxation due to Global warming zealot pressures, this being causal in these cases.

I’m not sure it is “causal” regarding Brexit although anyone in the uk on “Pension Credit” (and many who receive slightly more) is in severe danger of becoming one of the 2700 who are killed every year by exhorbitant energy prices.

I have to say I thank Houndog for his video which I commend for your perusal ! :sunglasses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I4kWZufskk

It is also quite informative for those who seem to believe that our future should lie within the bloc which is currently the EU - Inflation, depression, national bancruptcy and abject poverty within many of it’s constituent nations - those who “trusted the dream” ! - (I cannot put a “Rofl” face here - as I am tempted to do - it’s just too sad ! )

Here’s a couple of @eddieb (well the zealot website he linked to) “97% of climate scientists agree” [Which they definitely do NOT ! ]-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJwayalLpYY

but these are not quite in the same school as those dreadful “Educators” who are scaring our children to death and creating a generation of panic stricken idiots out of kids who should just be starting to think about music, girls (or boys - depending ) and how they are going to progress in the world themselves. At an age where they should be just “Having fun” - History will shake it’s head in disbelief

and consign these SJWs here !

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extraordinary-Popular-Delusions-Madness-Crowds/dp/149036188X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=extraordinary+popular+delusions+and+the+madness+of+crowds&qid=1556107267&s=gateway&sr=8-1

The information to be gleaned from this discussion makes the acceptance of “Guilt” by the West and demands for “Curing it” by freezing our old people to death - rather stupid - IF indeed you CAN get any more stupid than " demands for “Curing it” by freezing our old people to death"

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A well constructed post, but its impossible to use scientific evidence to convince people who reject the integrity of the scientists gathering the evidence. Its Catch-22.

You mean like this…

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What number ?

Quote ;

_**"…Once we recognise this pattern, we can easily identify countless other examples,large and small, throughout history; from the treatment accorded to Galileo for ques-tioning the Church’s ‘consensus’ that the sun moved round the earth to the hysteriawhipped up in the USA in the early1950s by McCarthy and the Senate Un-AmericanActivities Committee, against anyone who could be demonised as a ‘communist’ andtherefore a traitor.A perfect fictional depiction of groupthink in action is Hans Christian Andersen’sstoryThe Emperor’s New Clothes. When the emperor parades through the streets inwhat he has been talked into imagining is a dazzling new suit, all his deferential sub-jects acclaim it as handsome beyond compare. Only the little boy points out that theemperor is not wearing any clothes at all, and is stark naked. And, of course, thosecaught up in the ‘consensus’ all viciously turn on him for pointing out the truth.In the epilogue I shall refer briefly to other instances of groupthink that have be-come only too familiar in our present-day world. But before we apply Janis’s threerules to the ‘non-debate’ over global warming, we must also add one more very im-portant aspect of the way groupthink operates which he didn’t touch on, because itwasn’t relevant to the particular examples he was analysing

.4 The power of second-hand thinkingGreat power is given to ideas propagated by affirmation, repetition and contagionby the circumstances that they acquire in time that mysterious force known as‘prestige’. Whatever has been a ruling power in the world, whether it be ideas ormen, has in the main enforced its authority by means of that irresistible force wecall prestige.Gustave Le Bon,The Crowd

Janiswas only really concerned with how groupthink affected small groups of peo-ple in charge of US policy at the highest level. But when we come to consider thestory of the belief in man-made global warming, we are of course looking at how thiswas shared by countless other people: academics, politicians, the media, teachers,business executives, indeed public opinion in general.But all these people only got carried along by the belief that manmade globalwarming was real and dangerous because they had been told it was so by others.They accepted as true what they had heard, read or just seen on television withoutquestioning it. And this meant that they didn’t really know why they thought whythey did. They hadn’t thought it necessary to give such a complicated and technicalsubject any fundamental study. They simply echoed what had been passed on tothem from somewhere else, usually in the form of a few familiar arguments or articlesof belief that were, like approved mantras, endlessly repeated…"**_

I just go along with whatever scientific conclusion about scientific issues that the majority of trained scientists come to. It doesn’t seem rational to do otherwise.

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If you read the article in question you would see that the author gives details of some examples.

However, as Tommor says, I too would go along with what the majority of trained scientists agree.

Interesting little discussion here which can be inserted perhaps into the attitudes of the participants in this thead ! :rofl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJmL9hRrpIQ

I don’t suppose for one moment that either of our hecklers wiill bother to listen - but am somewhat hopeful that some who may have an open mind , could just develope a taste for critical thinking ! :sunglasses:

Heckling is not the word for it. For my part, I am quietly awaiting a shift in the weight of scientific evidence to show that global warming is a hoax. I could not be more relaxed in this if I tried, but so far, the majority of scientists apparently continue to hold their position and maintain that this is a real issue, causally linked to human activity.

As I have suggested earlier several times, its over to you. In fact, its not really for you to convince me, its for you to convince the majority of the world’s scientists that they are wrong and you are right, and then I will be convinced. Good luck with that.

I think heckling is exactly the right word for someone who knows absolutely nothing, but is insistently trying to shout down reasoned discussion .

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I simply don’t see that I must accept your personal opinions on global warming, when firstly you may not be appropriately qualified and secondly you are in a minority anyway.

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Of course you don’t have to accept anything. I have no power over you.

You don’t Have to think if you don’t want to or can’t understand.

However that does not change the fact that