For a few days we have had a slack handful of global warming extremists annoying most of the people fo central London by disrupting traffic and glueing themselves to things. Relying on the Good manners of the English people not to get upset. Police have been seen dancing along with them wearing their yellow vests - so clearly they have been told not to interfere by keeping order. They have got hugely more mainstream TV time than the New “Brexit Party” -
Yesterday we had Mark Karney (SP?) (Governor of BoE) announcing to the world his profound expertise on Global warming and insisting we spend huge amounts of money on “Curing it” - He has evidenced his lack of understanding on monetary matters quite profoundly over his pronouncements of the forthcoming disasters related to Brexit - so why precisely we should be listening to him on this other scare story pantomime- God alone knows !
Tonight we have the Government Broadcasting Arm (BBC) showing a “Documentary” called “Climate change - the Facts” at 9 pm - They dragged out that old naturalist Attenborough to front it because he once made great nature documentaries - but that was a few decades ago, when he was in his prime.
It is my contention - Perhaps “Suspicion” would be a better word - that the Establishment, having taken on board that they are going to get murdered in the Euro - Elections have decided to “Change the subject” in the hope that they can get some public acclaim by throwing a LOT of OUR Money away on this !
Apparently the replacement of Mark Carney is not being found easy and there is speculation that it is because potential replacements might perhaps be unwilling to “Toe the party line” in their pronouncements regarding the EU !
And now I just tried to watch a programme on BBC 4 called “The age of stupid !” - 10 pm Which said it was a “Drama documentary” ! set in 2050 - well I like that sort of fantasy stuff, so I went & had a look - after a few minutes I realised - yes another fantasy film like Al Gore’s ! - all Global warming rubbish with fictional scary outcomes and the fantasy motto “We could have stopped it !”
From observations around the globe, there is scientific consensus that global warming is taking place. Also show that the rate of warming has accelerated alongside increasing atmospheric emissions from human activity, principally the combustion of fossil fuels. Also that it is very unlikely that these two aspects global warming are due to wholly or predominantly to natural activity or climatic cyclic variation.
There is a small minority of scientists who disagree.
However, emissions of greenhouse gases are bad for the planet’s ecology in other ways and there is no scientific support for actively trying to increase their emission.
It appears from research that if global warming reaches a certain level, the climatic impact on human populations will be very dramatic and in the short term very negative. Its not clear what the long-term impact will be. The biggest question remains as to how hard we should work to reduce greenhouse gas emissions - how important and how urgent is this?
My view on climate change and its causes is that this is a scientific problem. Therefore I pay attention to what scientists say about the causes of the problem, how serious it is, and what might be some solutions to it.
There might be opposing views. If I’m in a room with 5 scientists and 4 say there’s a problem and 1 doesn’t. I’m going to go with the 4.
(It would be interesting when we have time to have some more scientists come in and research why these four got one result this other one got another result.)
It is conceivable that there may be some warming related to CO2 - but far from certain.
My own view is that it rightly belngs in thiis book - where it currently is to be found alongside many of it’s predecessors like BSE, Aids and the “Millenium Bug”…etc etc
However, you’re wrong that it is just a science problem. We’re in the UK where we have some quite cold spells in teh winter and fuel costs have risen by some 65% and currently 2,700 old people die each winter in the uk because they cannot afford to keep themselves warm.
Not even to mention those in 3rd world countries without electricity living in stone age circumstances.
How many more pensioners do you think it appropriate for your “Cures” for your “Science problem” to kill each year before we say “Enough” ?
Here’s a more logical look at what may just be a problem ;
Another benefit from this solution would be that we could sack all teh Clingons who fly in to the various “Accords” at our expense and even get some of the "Climate Scientists " to get proper jobs
However the burden of this thread is that the current cncentrations on CO2 - orchestrated as they seem to be are simply a device to divert attention away from the reprehensible betrayal of the UK people by the carreer politicians !
Decisions as to whether to do anything about climate change and what to do and how much to spend and the like are all political issues. As they’re made by politicians, I’m highly distrustful of these.
However, climate study is a scientific discipline best carried out by scientists. The science, the observations, the conclusions from these are not to be thrown out just because politicians seek to apply the wrong solutions.
The majority view of scientists is that greenhouse gases have caused global warming, and that global warming has increased and accelerated as we increased greenhouse gas emissions. I don’t need unanimity to believe a scientific conclusion, I will happily go with the majority of scientists. Where is your majority?
I Really don’t see anything worth responding to in your post @tommor, clearly you haven’t even bothered to look up my two references, since your response was way too quick for that - so if you’re not prepared to even look at my reasoning, I see no reason to try to educate you any further.
2,700 old people killed in the UK every year by exhorbitant fuel costs - There’s MY Majority !
Global warming is a total hoax and nothing more in my opinion, it’s really not that much of impact and not much we as people can do anyway. Brexit for other case is something real and should be profitable for average working English person, that’s why;)
As you say, that’s your opinion. But the majority scientific opinion is that its not a hoax. My opinion is that I should believe the majority of scientists when it comes to a scientific issue. So how would you get the majority of scientists to reverse their opinions and agree it is a total hoax?
Including the origin and the plain lies which were incorporated in that 97% figure, if I remember correctly, the REAL % was way less than 50 and pretty much ALL of those were having papers or books published as to the disasters it would create ie Every one of them (The sample was very small had a vested financial interest in the “Truth” of it- I also addressed the infamous "Hockey stick " graph so beloved of Al Gore’s film whaich has been proven to have been faked - in line with some of the e-mails from the “Climategate scandal” where it was shown that those "Peer reviewers were saying that it would be convenient if the Medieval warm period and the Little ice age had not existed - and Voila they did not when the IPCC Published it !
THe reality is much as you say
The “science” has got so interwined with Politics that it is frankly impossible to untangle ! and impossible to assess whether there is ANY actual merit in the case at all !
My links above were in similar vain, but when your "Audience " freely admits they did not even bother to follow your links, perhaps they can be said to be “Biased” - Not really much conversation to be had when one of the parties is dancing a jig, with his fingers firmly syuck in both ears and chanting "Nah, Nahna Nah NAAH ! "
However when the exhorbitant fuel costs are directly causing the deaths of 2700 of my countrymen every year - IT IS Time to declare an objection to this PC Rubbish !
WHEN i started this thread I was comparing the huge main stream reporting a few “Global Warmists” were getting as opposed to the rising from nowhere of the New Leading score party in the Brexit stakes ! - so studiously IGNORED by the main stream media
When you can show that the majority of scientists agree with you then I will agree with them. Until then, I disagree with you. Its no good you trying to convince me with science or anything else, I want the scientists to be convinced and then I will agree with their majority. I absolutely promise, if the majority of scientists state that global warming is a hoax, then I will believe its a hoax too.
There was snow on the ground here in Kentucky this morning. Tomorrow, it’s supposed to be in the 70’s (Fahrenheit), that’s convertible/motorcycle weather… I don’t need any scientific evidence to tell me things are changing. This is weird. I’ve lived here my whole life. Whether or not it’s manmade is up for debate, We should be good stewards of this planet on which we live. That’s just common sense. It may not be profitable but it is what it is…
If you mean Tommor and myself by “these two”, you might want to start by getting your facts right.
Nothing you have said in this, or any other thread, would cause me to sulk. I find the majority of your posts humorous, even though that is not your intention, although it is somewhat concerning that people still believe the sort of nonsense you spout.
Like the anti-vaxxers, you cherry-pick articles which seem to agree with your ridiculous viewpoint.
Continue ignoring the truth, Failstaff, let the rising tides swirl around your feet like a modern-day King Canute, although in fairness to Canute he could have been demonstrating his humility, something I believe you may be incapable of.
