The Aristotelian Alligator: A System That Makes Sense

[izgonn]

[B]Didilut[/B] Thanks for your explanation of COG. I will try to incorporate the COG into my Alligator Trading plan this week.

Is it a good idea to trade at the beginning of the market opening like Sunday Night (here in USA) or Monday Morning for Europeans?

[B]Smarttj1027[/B] Thanks for the warm welcome! I think this strategy is promising and will continue until I perfect it

[fxster]

I dunno how different i trade from u guys.
My loosses so far is 17/22, of which 15 of the losses, was due to prices goin the total opposite way after n trade.
Now I’m hoping my losses percentage keeps increasing, so i can trade the opposite way to make money.

[didilut]

Ooo I forgot I had a few questions for you [B]didilut[/B] if you dont mind :D.

1.) In your document that you listed all your trades in, you have a few that have “deleted” next to them, did you realize you made a mistake after you opened the position?

2.) I know you mentioned that its best when COG points the same way on multiple TF’s, so is that the only time you enter your trade? Actually I guess what I’m asking is what are your current entry rules besides the basic ones listed in the strategy I provided?

I think weeding out the losing trades is obviously what a lot of people are having trouble with. It seems so far though that you’ve had pretty good success with this.

Sorry if anything I said above is confusing in any way. Just ask for clarification and I’ll reword it, I’m kind of rushing this post, have to go run an errand

Hello Smarttj, answers to questions:

1. I removed these orders because they were sellstop orders, and as the market went into reverse I deleted.
2. My rule entry takes many factors into account:
   Rule Changes alligator calculator
   That trend is the same day and 4hrs (there is a little trick that I will try to explain a graph has the opportunity)
   That the market as a whole I like, and this is very subjective, and not explainable …
   Regards, Didier

[didilut]

Hello All,

[B]Didilut:[/B] I looked at your word document of trades and I noticed you are looking at candles from the 7HR?? What broker are you using? I’m using ActivTrades and my 4HR candles ends at 4HR, 8Hr, 12HR, …
I look at the end of the 8th Hour and begin trading as soon as I enter the information into the calculator.

Looking forward to hearing about your strategies and explaining them.

Thanks much!

Izgonn hello, what happens is that my broker is FxPro, it is located in Greece and 8hrs = 7hrs home in France.
But this is not very important, I note the GMT, which in this case is 6hrs GMT.
Hoping to have a dimly lit lantern.
Regards, Didier

[izgonn]

Izgonn hello, what happens is that my broker is FxPro, it is located in Greece and 8hrs = 7hrs home in France.
But this is not very important, I note the GMT, which in this case is 6hrs GMT.
Hoping to have a dimly lit lantern.
Regards, Didier

Thanks. Does FxPro have all 28 pairs in this system?

[didilut]

The trend of higher TF guide and control my choice to take the trade.
In this case, if I look at the graph 4hrs I see I come to the extreme channel COG, so my tendency is weakening, but I’m looking tendency of daily gives me a strong downward trend, so I take the short trade.
The COG performs best from a TF 4hrs and higher but I am content to watch the TF higher and not beyond, unless I have a doubt (support, resistance, head shoulders, etc …)
I hope this helps a little, try to see how it works with your own eyes.
Regards, Didier.

[didilut]

@izgonn

Thanks. Does FxPro have all 28 pairs in this system?

Absolutely FxPro offers 28 pairs, but I advise you ACTVTRADES (28 pairs also) that offers micro lots, which can be interresting if your capital is somewhat limited, and who will best manage the risk.
If you want I can provide a table that allows Exel to extrapolate a profit of 0.1% or more per day on your capital, the results are interresting and allow you to see it or not need to 3000pips week to earn money.
Regards, Didier

Compounding_Table.zip (301 KB)

[izgonn]

Absolutely FxPro offers 28 pairs, but I advise you ACTVTRADES (28 pairs also) that offers micro lots, which can be interresting if your capital is somewhat limited, and who will best manage the risk.
If you want I can provide a table that allows Exel to extrapolate a profit of 0.1% or more per day on your capital, the results are interresting and allow you to see it or not need to 3000pips week to earn money.
Regards, Didier

Thanks for the file Didilut, that’s pretty interesting. I try to keep my risk at 2-3% per trade…
How are your trades going so far this week? I could have taken 3 trades with 60 pips profit each but I did not take them because I wasn’t sure… So far, no trades for me. yet.

thanks

[ReaperKK]

Personally I’m over 300 pips this week using this system, although I have few modifications to the system that have been working out great.

Next week I’m taking this thing to my live-off account, risking .5%.

[didilut]

Hello everybody, like every week I am sharing the results of Aristotelian Alligator.
I must say that I am horrified :eek: by the results which exceed all understanding …
The explanation may be just what we’re in a market trends, but anyway, this does not explain everything …
I made some changes to the level of Graphs with CCI indicator which complements the COG, I would spend the weekend in a Graph.
In terms of results I’ll let you judge, you may find that I am exaggerating, but I did not write that applying the method, with a little discretion and COG.
I await your reactions and comments, and I’ll try to answer as clearly as possible.
Regarding the 2 TP, I think next week apply a less risky:
TP1 = Atr25/ 1 hr
TP2 = Atr25/ 4 hr
Knowing that I work with a period of 4hrs.
I hope that my modest contribution will help all of you to grow to a max of Pips.
Have a great weekend.
Regards, Didier.

ALLIGATOR 28.06.odt.zip (17.5 KB)

[ReaperKK]

Hello everybody, like every week I am sharing the results of Aristotelian Alligator.
I must say that I am horrified :eek: by the results which exceed all understanding …
The explanation may be just what we’re in a market trends, but anyway, this does not explain everything …
I made some changes to the level of Graphs with CCI indicator which complements the COG, I would spend the weekend in a Graph.
In terms of results I’ll let you judge, you may find that I am exaggerating, but I did not write that applying the method, with a little discretion and COG.
I await your reactions and comments, and I’ll try to answer as clearly as possible.
Regarding the 2 TP, I think next week apply a less risky:
TP1 = Atr25/ 1 hr
TP2 = Atr25/ 4 hr
Knowing that I work with a period of 4hrs.
I hope that my modest contribution will help all of you to grow to a max of Pips.
Have a great weekend.
Regards, Didier.

I missed a few of those trades and had some trades I accidentally took in the wrong direction but I had very similar results.

Lets see how it holds up over time.

[didilut]

I missed a few of those trades and had some trades I accidentally took in the wrong direction but I had very similar results.

Lets see how it holds up over time.

You reassure me a bit because I was afraid of becoming God the father …:eek:
As you say trying to see what happens over time, for my part, I will reduce TP by opening three lots: 1 lot for TP 1, 1 lot for TP2, 1 lot that I left running with trailing stop at = ATR underway.
We’ll see.
But I am convinced of the strength of this method because it is based on the strength and direction of prices, which the two most important things in the trading.
Regards, Didier.

[ReaperKK]

You reassure me a bit because I was afraid of becoming God the father …:eek:
As you say trying to see what happens over time, for my part, I will reduce TP by opening three lots: 1 lot for TP 1, 1 lot for TP2, 1 lot that I left running with trailing stop at = ATR underway.
We’ll see.
But I am convinced of the strength of this method because it is based on the strength and direction of prices, which the two most important things in the trading.
Regards, Didier.

It’s almost too goo to be true lol, just have to wait and see, a few months time. I’m taking it live though in my live-off account, only risking .5% so it won’t completely destroy my account.

[didilut]

Each week, a small report aristetolian system.
For now just a graph to show other indicators of trends that I believe the most relevant, but they repaint all that, but for me it’s not serious, just adapt …
Regards, Didier.
Ps: The table of results to come soon.:o

[didilut]

As promised here are the results of the week.
Rather mixed, in fact I told you that I will take the TP1 on the basis ATR 1hr, and the TP2 based ATR 4 hours.
I quickly perceived that it was a mistake, because the SL is affected on a retracement, so then the price goes in the right direction.:eek:
I highlighted in red TP concerned.
However, even with an error starting Monday (error position …):mad:, the results are still very real in a week of unrest last week.
This tends to reinforce me in the validity and performance of this method that has been generously given by Smarttj.
And you Reaperkk what are your results.
Are there other people working on this method,
Where are you Smarttj, more news, I hope all is well …
Comments, suggestions, questions welcome.
Regards, Didier.

ALLIGATOR 05 07 2010.zip (20.2 KB)

[localjuju]

not a bad week for you. i have been following this thread but still dont know where to start the ATR calculations from.it looks cumbersome for me and promising altogether.
some pls enlighten me

[ReaperKK]

I had pretty similar results. I had a terrible Tuesday and on Wednesday I made everything back plus 213 pips. I didn’t trade Thursday and Friday because I was out of town.

I was looking at the trades taken on Tuesday and some other losses I’ve had with the system. I feel as if the trade reaches 60% of the ATR the likely hood of the trade coming back is low. I’m going to look over my losses and see what it is, I’m just speculating here.