The Few Things That Really Work in FOREX

There are only a very few things that are effective in getting you profitable in Forex, so to try and save you wasting your time on the multitude of useless tools and information hopefully we can have a discussion about the stuff you should be using.

I won’t discuss rubbish on this thread I will simply state that rubbish is rubbish, where I come from we call a spade a spade.

What doesn’t work…

First of all though let me just state that indicators are a waste of time, however there is a kind of exception to this which are ‘indicators’ that provide you with more information that you have on the chart e.g. volumes.

Fibs - DON’T work, you will come across these in Forex trading time and time again, they will send you on wild goose chases and round and round in circles and totally waste your time, they are very prevalent, yes fibs are commonplace, Oh just in case, I will clarify that in this case by Fibs, I mean lies.

Now - What DOES WORK…

Well, simple but effective - fast price action trading as in my cat and mouse strategy, where you just concentrate hard and when you see some solid consistent momentum you jump on a trade and exit before it stops, I think this is actually possible on the EURUSD just by looking at the chart concentrating really hard and learning to decipher between the solid moves and the jumpy ones, but with a combination of ‘correlating’ currencies it makes it easier, but essentially this is a Marmite system, you love it or loathe it, but it got me profitable while I really learned how the market works.

Patterns work - looking out for different patterns work, they give you clues as to whether the market will continue the trend or reverse, but they are vague patterns, not precise, you will need to use your discretion and timing, but the clearer the pattern the stranger the setup will be. When there are no clear patterns, the market is likely to be ranging, so trade accordingly.

Support and Resistance - This is a great tool, but you have to combine it with other ‘stuff’, it just doesn’t work on it’s own, you have to have clues as to whether the support will hold or break, you could say that Support and resistance needs support.

Fibonacci - Very effective, easy to earn, combine with S/R, and don’t use it on small moves, always look for an obvious move before plotting Fibonacci.

Trend Trading - This is when your trading becomes one whole of a lot easier, S/R points are more obvious, stops can be tighter, profits are easier to come by. But when is the market trending - just look at it, if it looks like it’s heading in a direction it’s trending, no indicator in the world will beat your eyes at this. Pattern recognition is one of the most high tech problems that exist, the cutting edge of technology is only just beginning to recognize patterns and objects.

Look out for market nuances, the old big number stuff, if the market is heading up for 1.2750, it will just pop up past it before retracing, I won’t go into details here but it’s due to supply and demand (if you insist you can call it stop hunting, but not in the way that most think of stop hunting)

When you are doing your analysis and you find it hard and can’t work out what’s going on, it does usually mean that the market is unpredictable, or at least you are unable to predict it, so if this is the case, stay out - If in doubt stay out.

Patience - essential tool, you have to be patient, there will be days when the market can be totally untradeable, leave it alone and wait for the day where it’s easier, make trading easy for yourself, start with trading the things you completely understand.

With commitment, determination, discipline, optimism and a sense of humour you will succeed.

You will see quoted ‘95% of trader fail’, an interesting discussion in itself maybe, but the only thing you should care about is that you are going to succeed.

Take on board these few simple things, don’t deviate and you may well get there in a little more time than you think rather than a heck of a lot more time than you think.

That is a great thread - thank you for that, very simply put and explained, even I can understand it :slight_smile:

Could you give any more information/details on stop hunting or tell me where I can find out more ?

Read this http://www.tradeguider.com/mtm_251058.pdf it explains pretty much how the markets work.

Where it talks about accumulation, that is basically what it is.

Thanks for the link PPF I was looking for that tuther day but got distracted:)

As to your main post I entirely agree with your analysis (puff that chest out, it’s not every day you get the approval of a bonafide newb).

I went live the other day and was quite happy with my 8 trades over 2 days. I had 5 hits out of 8. One was wrong through miss reading the chart, one was wrong with a head and shoulder pattern that hadn’t completed and I got in too early but later analysis proved the idea was right. But my profitable trades came from watching the charts, tight stops and following the price down with my s/l and t/p.

I’m £9 to the good, think of the compounding:),

Thanks for the link :wink:

That is one great link - thank you sooooo much :slight_smile:

Thanks for the link…very informative

Wow 188 pages! Thats my weekend buggered… well Sunday anyway… after Rugby of course. :slight_smile:

Better be good ‘[B]P[/B]’ … it’ll cut in to after match drinking time. Hmm… your from Wales… neff said! :D:D:D

lovley jably ppf I been following your advice its to the point and effective wow cheers mate.:wink:

It’s what I endeavour to do, but mostly it falls on deaf ears.

And look at those people voting this thread down, they just don’t want you to realise how easy it can be.

OK … lets discuss

PPF sorry I’m not picking on you personally, I know your trying to save the world, but I couldn’t resist playing Mr pedantic.

Pedantic!, that’s not pedantic, that is one of most constructive criticisms I’ve ever seen.

How do you identify rubbish? my opinion is the same of mathematical science, the simpler the better and the more effective it is as in E=MC squared.

Indicators are a waste of time, any seasoned trader will agree, you just have to accept it.

Fibs - bit of humour there :wink:

Yes, absolutely, I agree 100%, BUT if you can do it, you will make more profit easier than anything you have ever come across so far.

Yes, I mean stronger, but no, one mans’ trend is not another man’s range, well not on the same timeframe they both operate in, throw 100 charts up and I reckon that 95% of the time both will agree if it’s a trend or not.

S & R, can you elobarate on your response?

Trend trading, now this kind of vindicates my approach, stick to your favourite timeframe and don’t deviate too much, although you do need some longer timeframe views, all I can say is that’s what works for me, and you just can’t argue that if you can scalp the smaller timeframes it is more profitable.
Patterns, what I mean by that is that the most expensive robots you can find can barely recognize a cube shaped object, so it follows that you have the same problems with charts.
I was discussing a chart with ‘dpaterso’ recently and he showed me the S&P 500, I did really think that it was a very simple chart and why the heck are we sticking to Forex? well for me it’s because of the same reason that people go mountain climbing - because it’s there and nothing f%^^%^ng beats me!! :smiley:

Prediction - this is key, like weather forecasting and there are a lot of similarities, if there is nice big High Pressure the weather will stay the same - that’s when to trade - make hay while the sun shines. When it’s raining it’s tricky to work out when and where so just stay in, or in the case of forex stay out!

Nuances and stuff - only time and experience will get you there, but again just apply some KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid!!

Patience don’t leave much! but I think of this in Formula1 terms, on the new tracks you can push to the limits and fall off the tracks and it’s safe - you don’t crash into the walls, but Forex is more like Monacco, one false move and you are f%^%^%ed - We’ll see you there innit?

GREAT post! Amazing insight!
I’ll be book marking this one.

my opinion is that the market is best described in picture form

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would anyone call me crazy if i said all you need in order to find an edge in trading (assuming you aren’t stupid with money management) is…

a ruler ?!

well i am serious and what i mean is drawing horizontal or diagonal lines to measure support and resistance, and also using measured moves (this could be said to include fib retraces/extensions) as a form of working a good reward:risk ratio.

and if you want a bona fide ruler trick for finding trend, try this out:

take your ruler and put the left side to the opening price of the first candle on your chart, then the right side of the ruler towards the closing price of your last candle. the slope of this ruler is your trend! you’ll notice that the slope changes if you look at more or less candles, and if you change the timeframes.

…and that’s how things really work in FOREX :smiley:

As I trade daily and weekly TF’s my definition of the ‘trend’ is as follows: I pull up a daily chart with a 200 ma and a year to view. If price is above the 200 ma with nice seperation its trending up, below its trending down. Doesn’t get more simple than that. :slight_smile:

Your crosshair is your ruler.

If you throw previous OHLC [those numbers in the left hand corner of your chart], intent of order book and money flows into the mix you don’t have to look at a chart for that long.

In fact you don’t need a chart to place your trades because price is a creature of habit.

That’s as straightforward as it gets.

old skool :cool:

i can dig it, but the lines are easier on my brain early in the morning

I totally agree that the trader has to define the trend.

How did you get through Nov 2010 on eurusd RCarter ?

price falling 1000pips and the 200ma still defining an uptrend.