The Primal Brain - Our Unintentional Inner Saboteur

Let me preface this by saying that I only took a psychology class in college and I am far from being an expert on this subject. This is based on my own experience and self-observation.

In analyzing myself and my trading behavior with the same scrutiny that I analyze the charts, I’ve come to realize that under certain types of stress or duress, the primal or primitive brain tends to take control. I understand this to be survival and instinctive functions of the brain that control the fight or flight response, but beyond that also helped our hunter gatherer ancestors survive during a time when they had to hunt for food and protect themselves from becoming the food for apex predators.

When I’m looking at a trade setup, I am in fact stalking and hunting my prey (money) and my limit order is the trap. Sometimes the prey is better taken down with an arrow or a market entry. And this is how my daily hunt goes in the market. When price doesn’t step into my trap or moves too volatile for me to properly aim my arrow for a kill shot, it leaves me with a sense of fear or fear of missing out, that my prey will get away. That is when my primal brain attempts to take control from my rational brain. I instinctively want to chase after price to prevent it from getting away and to keep me from returning home empty handed from the hunt.

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I’m of the belief that the market preys on the primal brain of traders to get us to chase after price or to get us to take a shot that will likely miss. When we chase price, we give up on our plan and start following the bait. We surrender our acceptable entry and acceptable risk. Instead of a kill shot, we end up taking a shot that will only anger price and make price double back to hit our stop loss that is likely also out place because we chased.

My mental paradigm shift is that the process should be my prey and profit is a natural side effect of capturing the process. If my goal is purely process, I will never come home empty handed even if I don’t enter a trade. Consciously deciding to not take a shot that is likely to miss may be more important than taking a shot that may or may not hit.

This shift has made me reinstate my 2 shot rule. Basically, I’m going hunting with only 2 arrows so I have to make each shot count and not waste them on low probability setups. By limiting myself to only 2 shots, it forces my primal brain to allow my analytical or rational brain to stay in control so that a potential shot can be analyzed for being worth one of my 2 arrows.

Beyond making instinctive decisions to enter a trade at a less than desirable time and price, the primal brain can be activated while in a trade and cause us to close winning trades prematurely. The analysis was done beforehand and the rational brain has an expectation of the outcome. As we become stressed over the uncertainty of whether the market will take back the profits gained so far, the primal brain may step in with a flight response to ‘protect’ our gains. The primal brain wants to protect us from loss and can cause us to take a much smaller win than what we would achieve by taking no additional action.

Likewise, when in a losing trade, the primal brain may take over with a fight response in a misguided attempt to protect us from locking in a loss. This keeps us in a losing trade that the rational brain would have decided to close in order to cut losses early. We have all heard it before, ‘cut your losers short and let your winners run’, which makes sense to the rational brain. However, in the heat of the moment, the primal brain may take control and make this obvious and rational task extremely difficult to perform.

While in a trade I continually analyze the developing market structure, a task that the primal brain is poorly suited for. This analytical task allows me to find appropriate levels to trail my stop loss, helps me gauge if the market is still going in my favor or against me, but most importantly forces the rational brain to stay in control.

This is what I recognize that happens in my brain. Maybe no one else has experienced this or maybe others experience it but haven’t considered the root cause. Being cognizant of when my primal brain is likely to activate and what it will do when it takes control has helped me in dealing with impulsive trading behavior that is based on primal instincts.

I hope this helps someone else make a mental breakthrough in their trading.

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Real spill!! And to think of it I have been dealing with the same situation lately I have done more readings still not helping sometimes I feel it is a cause to overcome in the trading psychology which I found very complicated to handle but with these details I believe it is going to help many others get better in this field thank you for sharing this wonderful information with us (for real)

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Thanks for the feedback. This mental hack will likely be under appreciated by most that chase the glamour of trading instead of the fundamental process.

The reality is, if you can’t control yourself, you can’t control your trading.

This is such a well-thought-out post. The “two-shot rule” and emphasis on process over profit are strategies I’ll consider in my trading. Thanks for sharing this!

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Thank you! I’m glad that you got some value out of this.

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thank you @MartialChartsFX great metaphor’s. Feels very relatable when the primal brain takes over thus leading to chasing price

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It’s not just chasing price for a bad entry, it also affects how we manage our active trades as far as closing winning trades too early and closing losing trades too late.

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exactly, thank you!

I know right!

How far should we let them run ? :smiley:

If cutting winning trades short is closing before price reaches TP, then letting winners run would imply holding winning trades at least to the TP is reached.

Do you agree?

As I thought - you appear to misunderstand the principles of the “Let your winners run” philosophy - It’s a long term investment strategy - which was the underlying Principle of the “Turtle Traders” - whereby you lose 9 out of 10 bets but the winnings of the 10th one more than compensate for losses of the other nine.

I attach a link to the system - which my psychology will not allow me to follow because of the way my brain works - But I believe @tommor uses (or at least used to use a similar philosophy)

Linkis Green writing ;

'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJkXSZUHl1g

Edit - Ho0wever the basic premis that our thought processses and emotions are what stops us making money are completely correct !

'How We Know What Isn't So (A Psychological Study on Logic): Amazon.co.uk: Gilovich, Thomas: 0000029117062: Books

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That was fun to read. Serotonin is seriously fascinating topic to understand.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with you. If you let the winners run, that basically means holding on until your TP is reached or even beyond if the trade still appears good. It is also important to get stressed about minor setbacks and give up easily. Balance is very important!

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That was an interesting read!

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Thanks for the addition of the macro investment philosophy. I’m familiar with the turtles and there’s no misunderstanding. I meant it exactly as I said it in reference to the micro objective of allowing setups to fully play out in intraday trades. I think most of the people reading understood my point.

Letting your winners run can be applied to both short term and long term objectives. For retail forex traders not involved in position or carry trading, the shorter term objective is usually more applicable than the longer term objectives of “turtle” stock and index traders.

You can create a topic about the turtle stock traders and expand on the macro side of this philosophy. I look forward to reading it. :+1: