I said it’s a way scammers get money out of people. Later on they realise they paid for material that is free on babypips course. So being wary is a good thing. It’s a free website, people come here for free handouts. So why come here to charge for teaching? It didnt make sense to me.
My red flags may be subjective but they are built from other peoples bad experiences. When I hear lots of different ways people get scammed it then becomes a red flag. If other people took the time to do this too they wouldn’t get scammed.
If you want a mentorship then you can pay him. But dont come back here and start a thread saying ‘I’ve been scammed…’
I wouldnt say there was anything wrong with pointing out a scam to others as this would help catch them out. And the “ive been scammed” threads are probably quite usefull for that. Im more on about the reverse of almost blanketing every vendor as a potential scammer. Plus there are scammers in all walks of life and its up to each “individual” to do there own due diligence.
Plus if people are paying for stuff thats free like on babypips, then they should maybe be questioning there own logic rather than the ethics of someone else. Theres always going to be opportunists in every walk of life, but individuals need to be smart enough to avoid them.
But fear mongerings not the answer.
You just downright publicly harassed and accused someone of scamming. Where’s the proof?
There’s mention of teaching a group of people. There was no mention of whether they were solicited. For all you know they could be friends, colleagues or family. You decided to assume he was using babypips to solicit newbies. Proof he’s using babypips to solicit newbies?
That was a reply to something he said that I’ve heard a lot of scammers say. They dont want anyone to question them so they can quietly take peoples money. I don’t need to provide proof as I’m not here saying I’m selling anything.
This is a free website and community. Why would someone advertise a paid mentorship where everything is provided for free? It doesnt make sense. Therefore I assumed hes here to solicit newbies. He can always prove me wrong and I’ll accept if I’m wrong. I cant assume every new person here selling mentorship is legit because you’ll find you’ll get scammed more often than not. Need to have some way to filter them.
I’m surprised you’re asking me to prove it. Because of you is why people get scammed out of thousands. By the time everyone finds out it’s too late. Take for eg justforex broker. It’s not regulated which is a red flag for me but if you answered you would need proof. Well the proof is in when they closed a whole load of accounts and stole peoples money. Happens again and again but people like you just let it happen.
No proof = No scam. You’re harassment is based on blind speculation. If you accuse someone of something that downright malicious the burden of proving it falls on you. Otherwise you’re just as extreme as some jihadi extremist.
There was no advertisement. I see someone answering the OPs question to the point and narrating why he did it in atleast or two instances. There’s no solicitation or advertisement here. That’s just your imagination.
Even if there is firm evidence of solitication that doesn’t translate to a scam on his part. Pretty scummy to stretch the facts as you see fit.
These filters and questions I ask are my due diligence. When they get defensive or cant answer that doesnt sit right with me. You can learn from others as theres a wealth of experience here then make your own decision. But no harm in taking in both sides. I do say that this is my opinion and things I look for. Someone else may say doesnt matter I’ll still go for it. That’s absolutely fine. But to try and stop people from giving their opinion and questioning people of their true intentions is not the right way for a community.
We should be allowed to give both sides and our opinions and then let others make their decision. No right or wrong answer, just a discussion.
But that’s what I’m saying that this is my opinion. For me, my personal views, red flags for me. Not for others. I openly say I am speculating and therefore asking more questions and then forming my decision. Lol it’s not harassment I’m questioning things that dont make sense to me. You can make your own decisions. No problem with me.
Of course I assumed. I cant read his mind. That’s why I’m asking why you are here? to advertise? Think about it, he doesnt teach for free but hes on a free community. Doesnt make sense. So I have to ask and state what I’m thinking. I’m going by my experience.
By the time the proof is in, lots of people have been scammed. So I ask questions of things I’m looking for. If you’re looking for less then go for it. I’m not stopping you, I’m making my own decision.
It is blatant harassment, when you target him and accuse him of something without proof. No scam here. Just stretching facts on your part.
How do you know he doesn’t or didn’t teach for free? He clearly narrated atleast one instance of teaching for free
Sounds to me like he tried teaching for free plenty of times.
Could it be that he just wants to be an active participant in the community like everyone else? That’s a more likely answer because these quotes were direct answers to your questions.
How many people has he scammed? Who were affected by it? How did he solicit them? Were they part of the babypips community?
I know he doesnt teach for free now because I asked him and he said I only charge now. So i asked why are you here?
I didnt target him. Hes the only person who said they like teaching but now charge. Anyone else, I wouldve asked them a few questions too. If you note, most others said if they were asked to teach they would be happy to do it for free.
I think you’re trying to force your opinion on me. I’ve already expressed my opinions and why. I’ve used my experience of what I’ve seen, heard and read and formed my view. His lack of transparency is a red flag for me. He doesnt teach for free but is here on babypips to show something. Time will tell what he wants to show.
If you are happy with his answers then that’s fine. Give your opinion and why. You wont be able to change my views. I need to see more before I rule out a scam.
No, you were forcing your opinion on him. I’m only asking you to prove your accusation of him scamming. You’re the one claiming he’s an established scammer. Then you should clearly be able to answer:
How many people has he scammed?
Who were affected by it?
How did he solicit them?
Were they part of the babypips community?
Guilty till proven innocent. There’s a even a term for this in wikipedia btw. Internet Vigilantism is the act of carrying out vigilante activities through the Internet. The term encompasses vigilantism against alleged scams, crimes, and non-Internet related behavior.
His reply stated his opinion and backed it up with a personal anecdote of why he believed charging folks made sense to him.
This was very clearly not an advertisement. This was a reply relating the the point someone else earlier made. Basically engaging in a healthy discussion.
Almost all the other posts were his earnest replies to your questions trying to explain his POV. No solicitation there. If so where’s the evidence?
I didnt say he was an established scammer. I said what hes saying and from what I’ve picked up is talking like a scammer. You talk like I’m the law. This is my opinion from my experience and from what I’ve heard. I’m not forcing anything on him. I asked him to clarify the questions I had, if he doesnt want he doesnt have to. I therefore have made my opinion.
I’ve given my reasons why I am sceptical. I can’t clearly say he is or isnt but for safety I err on the side of caution, just like with all mentorships. Like I said time will tell. I’m not sure how many times I have to keep saying this.
If you’re so sure you are free to pay what you want. I wish you all the best. But to try to change my opinion by asking for proof on everything wont work. And that’s because it’s my subjective experience. If you are in his mentorship and it helped you then rather than to try and question me you should just give your feedback. It would save so much time.
@darthdimsky Thank you for backing me up. You fully understand what I mean. Haters will continue with whatever info they get. Do not get sucked into it too much. I explained many times I am not here to advertise anything.
You’re the one insinuating he’s scamming. It’d save a lot of time and effort on your part if you could impart your proof. If not why bring it up?
I have no affiliation with him whatsover, but even if I did it has no bearing on your accusation.
What he practices is very common in other areas like poker. I know for a fact the many winning pokers players conduct master clinics and have helped helped semi pro players become pro players. This is not some weird, scammy foreign concept.
But I’ve already explained why I thought that when i was replying back to him. All are my opinion from what I’ve seen and heard. His replies are standard scammer replies, he says he likes to teach but now charges, he teaches for money but is in a free community, he talks about results but no analysis, he then became defensive: genuine people have no problem answering questions. I took everything he said in reply to me and others and formed an opinion. Especially when he ended the conversation, I then have to go with what I believe.
Now you dont need what I asked to form an opinion. And that’s fine. I’m not questioning it. I understand that his replies were good enough for you. I’m happy with that. Im not trying to convince you. Im offering my views. I do not need proof because I’m not selling anything or convincing anyone. The person who is selling should provide proof, I didnt even get to asking for a track record. I’m forming my conclusion from my experience. If you dont agree, perfect. You dont need to.
But I’ll never agree with your approach to let people get scammed first then spot a scammer. I’d rather reduce the chances of getting scammed first. So I have to go with my filters.
What are you smoking? Did he say he was teaching people in BP or in some free community? This is such a stretch it’s unbelievable. You mean there’s absolutely no chance he could be talking of teaching his friends, family, colleagues, folks from neighbourhood, etc. How do you even jump to this conclusion?
How did you even miss the quote below?
So you can’t relate to the disappointment of taking the time to learn your students depth of knowledge & tendencies, drafting custom learning plan, make the time out of your day to mentor/tutor them and diligently work to help them and see them put no effort whatsoever? This is so relatable to anyone who’s ever tried to teach earnestly with a passion it’s almost heartbreaking.
Keep justifying your online harassment and vigilantism. He wasn’t soliciting or scamming anyone. Just engaging in a healthy conversation with a story to tell. Nothing more.
Gosh you are trying so hard. I’m not sure why you are trying to convince me by arguing each point. I’ve already said I understand that you are happy with the replies. Not sure what you want me to say. You have 31 posts to your name and maybe 20 to 30% will be from this thread. Surely you could actually add some value to some threads rather than force me to think your way?
Theres no point trying to disprove my subjective opinions. I’m going by experience. I’m not selling you anything or trying to convince you.
Hell no I cant relate! Because when I teach I teach for free and with no expectations. I’m teaching or guiding because I want to. Not because I expect these guys to listen to me. If they listen all good, if not I dont mind. It’s free. Look at today, I don’t mind replying to you because you or someone reading may learn something. I enjoy sharing my experiences for free because I enjoy it. Lol, I dont have an agenda that i would feel disappointed or feel like I wasted time or effort. It’s a free community man.
I respect your opinion. But my opinion differs. Time will tell.
I explained many times I am not here to advertise anything.