Ps: I read ALL your posts, naturally.
A bit off topic but still somehow related.
Tagging @ria_rose here - being that sheās a millennial woman (I think?). Do you work in the finance industry? Or are you the only one among your peers trading? Would be very interesting to know. I know no other millennial woman whoās into trading.
OMG! I feel so flattered being tagged here. Huhu. Iāve always thought that I donāt have enough experience to be part of this thread. Haha. Iām very much a millennial woman. But Iām not part of the finance industry. In fact, my friends donāt know that Iām trying this out. Being from the liberal arts, I guess people just assume that Iām not gonna venture into anything as technical as trading.
The article @PipMeHappy shared really reflects reality. Iām from a service-oriented industry and these are just some things we have to endure to be able to earn a couple of bucks.
Iām sad to hear this. Do you have any ideas on how this might be changed for the better?
To be honest, Iām not really sure. I thought it should be easy to respect other people as human beings, and not as sexual objects. As it turns out, some people just canāt do that.
A good reason why nobody, male or female, should find they want to work in Wall Street.
It creates an illusion of a powerful woman, donāt you think? As a woman, I thought it would be such a statement to be out there with the big names of Wall Street, only to find out that they arenāt invincible. And that they also go through this abuse.
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Not all millennials the FT talked to think sexual harassment and gender discrimination are a problem for their generation.
A 21-year-old Russian working in the City said the topic of sexual harassment was āpaid too much attentionā. A French woman working as an economic consultant in London said that while she had āheard more complaintsā from her peers āI personally did not think those were an issueā.
She believes that millennials are too sensitive about gender issues. āAlthough millennials aim to create equality, I think they are instead widening the divide. Personally I think that the whole #metoo movement has taken things too far.ā
A 21-year-old financial services recruiter working in the UK said people āseem to take offence too easily these days just because of the big hype around gender diversity where there is no need and no harm is being causedā.
āOf course, I believe that there should be gender equality and itās amazing how far womenās rights especially, have come,ā she added. āBut sometimes there is too much pressure on āwhat is right to sayā.ā
A millennial man working at an asset management company in London said that the work environment he had experienced in Singapore and London had been āprofessional and not inappropriate at allā.
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Permeates all industries, sadly.
Sorry to fly past everybodyās comments, thank you for talking about these issuesā¦ Sometimes on this thread I felt like a lonely, lonely voice and got sick of my own echo! Really need people to come here and talk these issues overā¦ I have posted this before www.everydaysexism.com and whenever anyone tells me that women in āthe Westā are equal to men and have it āgoodā I just send them this link and tell them to please read the stories in there. . . The worst kinds of stories on that site tell of women who are or were sexually harassed in the classroom and on the streets, some as early as eleven, nine, etc. often by grown men shouting obscenities at them from cars, approaching them at bus stops or on their way homeā¦ Terrifying, demeaning, hurtful experiences. When people say that women who objectify men are ājust as badā they do not understand that men have not ever had to be afraid of women to the point where verbally sexual comments are seen as a possible preamble to physical touching and possibly worse to comeā¦ Women, on the other hand, have to always protect themselves so if a man crosses the road to pester you with unwanted comments on your body etc. it is scary as hell because you donāt know at that point what he is thinking and whether he is going to follow on that by putting his hands on you or dragging you into a bushā¦ Sadly, though, the majority of sexual violence happens in the home or at the hand of ex-partners/husbands or members of the extended family as well as current partnersā¦ So women are a lot safer (physically) on the streets than in their own homes, although out there they are subjected to builders, men in vans, cyclists, all sorts of men just constantly reminding them that they are just eye candy.
I really do not understand what can be done to change these cavemen and their little brainsā¦do they not have sisters, mothers, wives, girlfriends, daughters? If they shout obscenities at random women in the street with no shame, how do they treat the women closer to them? I really would like to open their heads and see what part of their moral brain is malfunctioning. I honestly donāt get it, in fact I never will.
Anyway, on a happier noteā¦
Thanks to @Ananais for pointing me to the direction of this investor/adviser:
She was interviewed in 2017, here:
Yawn !
Here we go again !
Iām very thankful that we get to talk about these issues here! I thought that since itās a male-dominated industry (and community), talking about realities like this is a no-no. Still, thank you for somehow giving us the courage to talk about this. It already means a lot.
@ria_rose That is all that I could wish, and one of the reasons why I started this whole thread four years ago. . . @Falstaff talks about an interesting theory of men who seek to ārescueā women and earn praise for this. For me it is an issue of social justice, and indeed it does not stop at womenās rights but goes far widerā¦ But THIS thread IS about women in finance and about giving them a voice, as well as giving women traders on Babypips a chance to express their view on these matters.
The majority of child sex abuse also happens in the home, though not all.
āā¦āWe find it abhorrent because it challenges our ideas of women and motherhood,ā she explains. āWe also find it frightening because we like to live with the idea that men are dangerous and women are safe, so when you see children to a male stranger in the park itās dangerous but if theyāre talking to a woman it isnātā¦ā
Fortunately there are some signs that the propaganda is now so extreme that people are beginning to question some of itās basic tenets
Wow, this topic has been derailed a bit, I guess.
The excerpt @PipMeHappy pasted in from FT raises some good points but still: peopleās concerns about abuse should not be taken less seriously because some other people are ājust fineā and donāt see this problem to be so severe. Even within the same community, many conflicts can develop hidden from the colleaguesā eyes, that doesnāt mean they donāt exist. Even if one person is affected, thatās terrible and the experience should not be swept under the carpet.
@James.F Your post is 100% on the money. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. . .
@Falstaff I see where you are heading but I am just going to agree with @James.F in saying that we could be derailing the conversationā¦ So I am not going to respond - others can.
On a different note, I have two more trader interviews that I am preparing and for which I have an agreement in principle, so keep your eyes on the thread in the next few days
And thanks to everyone for keeping the tone of the debate civilised, it is a model of mutual respect that many forum users should aspire to.