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There is no point in getting back to the original topic. Why?
The topic itself is populistic. The title is defarmatory comparing the EU to a sinking ship. Promoting someones personal views of how awesome brexit is by denouncing the EU with false stats and false claims, changing historical facts to fit the OP opinion.
This is not a topic and there is nothing to discuss here. You cant discuss abything with a denouncing deffarmatory person who is only seeking a stage to gather audience for his populistic views. This isnt a topic, its a shitshow. And the only way to discuss a shitshow is by accepting that it is a shitshow.
Your call for reasonable talk only gives @Falstaff his stage back and puts him up there to enable him to contine to defarmator institutions peoples of other nations and political structures which he has neither insight in nor understanding of.
This is a few pages created by soneone who clearly is VERY BIASED against EU its concept its institutions. And he will lie and cheat to promote his invented facts and stats and when proven wrong he will adopt pure dennial. Theres no point in discussing anything serious here. The only reasonable approach is to reveal the true nature of the OP and make people understand he is lieing, biased and claiming wrong/falsified facts.
just to lock in the post
You dont need to lock anything. The truth stays. I dont edit my posts. I only add to them if needed.
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Aye, this is true but remember that gdp is down and borrowing up - and the numbers are now accurate.
Stats like gdp have little or no meaning to the average citizen, his/her concern is can they put food on the table, will their rapidly growing up children have some sort of economic future within not only their community but also their country.
Ireland witnessed 3 tranches of economic emigration, first one was during the famine - mid 1800’s, second in the mid 1950’s and to a lesser extent after 2008.
Fathers, sons,daughters, husbands left these shores never to return - their common aim - employment.
(this is why there are 34.5 million Irish Americans in the US and Pres Trump this month commented that he knows each of them - most Irish people understood that statement.)
Anyways - long story short - check last 5yr unemployment in Greece:
And yes, there is nothing wrong with leather jackets, used to wear one myself, but dress sends a message, as one news site said today of the Trump/Kim meeting - no bomber jackets or binoculars - just a business suit.
Not looking great ;
Whatever issues the EU ship runs onto, the EU idea will live and sail on. Because the aim is not survival of the Eu but political union of the entire continent. The people at the head of this movement will gain enormous lasting power.
Every obstacle will be, they will say, resolved and avoided if only Europe is politically united. The more obstacles, the greater the risks, the more they will double down on this. And the stronger will become their arguments.
Predictions of the collapse of the EUR and the break-up of the EU are just fuel in their engine.
isnt exactly that what westmenister/downing 10 is preaching to the rest of the UK since 3 years?
let me correct you:
Whatever issues the UK ship runs onto, the UK idea will live and sail on. Because the aim is not survival of the UK but political union of the entire island. The people at the head of this movement will gain enormous lasting power.
Every obstacle will be, they will say, resolved and avoided if only the island is politically united. The more obstacles, the greater the risks, the more they will double down on this. And the stronger will become their arguments. (fits pretty good with the “deal agreenment not working our way, lets double down and make it a -no deal-”)
Predictions of the collapse of the GBP/uk economy and the break-up of the political island are just fuel in their engine.
Ha ha! Clever. I do like that.
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