2-year backtest EURUSD, 300 pips/month

Good Luck guys on both your trading and the newly established company!
it’s a pleasure to have serious traders on zulutrade - followers do take this into consideration! :slight_smile:

So, how is zulutrade trading going on these days? Are you happy?

He Eddy, I’m very very happy! Thank you so much for support. All of you posting here in this thread.

When I started this thread about 3 months earlier. I knew I would make a nice profit, but it’s going hilarious!

I went to bed yesterday and woke up and I already made a standard one-day salary when starting my pc. :stuck_out_tongue:
($100) And only first 3 days of trading! (and it’s getting more and more…)
In the following months I’m planning to return the first 10k of fees for signalling in the follower account. Then I do not need any money anymore. Just wait. Every time I see almost 100% green trades every day I’m getting more convinced of stable profits the years to come. (with backtest of 2 years and 1/4 year live trading)
But I have to be carefull. Excitement is a warning for a trader normally! So I have to stay focused. And still have to be carefull. Trading is about risk. Not about fun.

Luckely the system will not be influenced by my own emotion. Hedgefundmanager and I do shifts to control the system. (morning and evening) At night there normally is less movement. We also have to sleep right. :stuck_out_tongue:

DD number is far lower than expected. (and I made the formula a little bit tighter before start 3 months ago at zulu. That’s why DDmax = 166 is lower than 2-year DDmax backtest of 528. (when trading with 3 positions in, because DD of 1 position in -> open 2nd position, more DD -> 3rd position in)
I hope seperate positions will stay inside the -100 range. (In a few months we know if trading with 100 SL is also posible) Very very safe. By adding 2 more pairs we will make 400-500 pips/month.

Then only by trading one month you are able to scale up the amounts of lots!

Hedgefundmanager is very proud to run this system :stuck_out_tongue: It’s a beautiful world after working and programming whole nights, testing, working very hard, server costs of E 1200 each year about 3 years. (running one server for backtesting, one to work on, one to provide live signals) Had to run MT4 on 3 separated servers. Too complex formulas.

I destroyed E 14.000 before I was able to gain good profits.

It’s just like learning to play poker.

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[li]First year you are losing … [I](losing big… I did really stupid things) [/I]
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[li]Second year you are still losing. [I](90% of traders do, most traders quitte by then)[/I]
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[li]Third year you are able to trade oke, but only small gains. Or play a nice game of poker. (hedgefundmanager is poker player normally playing with millions. So controlling account of millions, he doesn’t feel any excitement at all. Cool and calm. Thats what I need. I’m a bit more unstable so I need him to do this job.)
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[li]Fourth year. If you are lucky you are able to spot some things that are really helping you. [I](5% of traders still left)[/I] (trend on multiple timeframes, trading with trend in stead of newbie [I]fxkostas[/I] (stupid…) trading against the trend… I personally don’t prefer trading-against-the-trend systems (I made a dozen of countertrend systems), although I know some trading firms who actually do have systems trading against the trend, these systems are very very advanced, you really have to know what you are doing because at some day…
[/li]…at zulu, the previous 5 years I wasn’t able to spot one countersystem surviving for more than 2 years. (at the moment zulu systems like #1 system: Newwave, but also Satang is countertrend. And of course ForexCruiseControl (crash of 35 milj account) was also trading countertrend. So you already know how I’m thinking about these systems! ****ing hate those SP’s. Hope I’m able to safe as many followers as possible before these systems collapse. Well Newwave has an exitformule, but by trading countertrend many ‘trending months’ are not paying off and he is not able to gain on a consistent way. Satang (currency of thailand = thailand programmer). He is playing with the satan. It’s just minutes before this system is going to crash (and it’s top5 zulutrade!!! having live accounts of 2 milj.) Take a look at this system every week. You will see… :slight_smile: You have to understand how to manage drawdowns at a standardised way. It depends of the system if you are able to do this with or without SL (not using SL -> you have to use an exit formula), because SL’s can be very costly etc.
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[li]Fifth year you are trading like a madman designing systems… [I](well maybe 2% of all traders left, all designing not winning systems. I made about 100 systems before I was able to understand certain algorithm improvements and designed my first winning system about one year ago.)[/I] Some people are trying for years but are still nog able to make any improvements in their systems. They just don’t know where to start. They are already blinded by the difficulty of programming or become unmotivated. [I](maybe 1 of 1000 amateur SP’s/programmers will eventually design a top system I think). [/I] It’s also a bit of luck. If a did not spotted some little but crucial improvements I was still one of the 1000 amateur programmers hunting for an oppertunity, trying different set ups, not happy with the result and progress (hunger!!!) well… euhm, depressed, irritated, money spending :frowning: ) And their are also genius people (I’m not a genius I’m sure :P) Programmers or really crazy nerds I’m sure hired by goldman and sachs, payed a million each year improving codes and designing new up to date systems.
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[li]Sixth year… that’s were I am now…
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[li]Seventh year you are setting up your own bank :stuck_out_tongue: hihi… well trying at least :wink: (when I finished university) First I want to see if the system really works excellent in all conditions and we need to make history to use it for managing a forex fund.
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Our hedgefundmanager was earning big with playing poker. (next to trading for 6 years for hedgefunds) He eventually bought 2 casino’s and made his own poker website. (Thats what I’m doing now with trading forex) He is already a miljonair and doesn’t know what to do with his free time so he is now controlling the system. I still have to do my preparations in the morning for the final year at my university.

Of course not every one is able to make such a formula of about 8 pages of paper. (not saying like… euhm I’m a god or someting but…) You have to be a bit of an idiot I think. And there is also a dark side about working really hard. Girlfriends walking away… (espacially blond girls cannot stand you are working whole night because you had a new idea how to control DD’s and you wanted to test it… :P) Your social life … euhm what social life? And like I mentioned before. Working this hard or trading that much can cause addiction. And I also had a major depression. So…

In total I invested about 20.000 euro’s. Website, code, additional software, losing big, some files I had to buy from programmer because I had to learn MT4 (Metatrader) instead of writing in CTL language (WHSelfinvest Prostation), paying the webdesigner for website etc. etc. It wasn’t cheap to set up the financial service. And now we have to invest even more for setting up an investment firm next to PipShip Signal Provider. PipShip ELITE managed forex accounts. (equity managment) (licences, helpdesk, second webpage, staff doing administration/intake and outtake clients/helpdesk etc.)

Well I still have to write a boring essay for tomorrow. See ya! :stuck_out_tongue:

How I learned to trade forex in about 5 years:

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[li]By reading all info I could find (Forex Trading Online: Foreign Exchange (FX) Trading | Currency Trading, CFDs Trading and Contracts for Differences, MQL4: automated forex trading, strategy tester and custom indicators with MetaTrader,
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[li]Research in all different indicator code bases available, by programming, by trying every indicator or EA I could find, (eventually you see the bull**** en prof EA’s) by changing its parameters, understand all different data available (volume, volatility, dydx etc. f’(dydx), logical reasoning, watching the screen for days and understand how stupid people are and how stupid and bull**** the world is.) It’s really difficult because a lot of people come up with things that do not work or logically only tell you the wrong ‘thruth’, go back, try something different, evaluate
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[li]Try to make pieces that are needed to calculate certain market phenomenons etc. Try to combine certain pieces. Does is work to create a higher probability on return?) What is happening when the market is going up of down? Do not use corralations between pairs. (tried this but did not work for me, only data of one pair is enough
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[li]When using or setting up indicators/EA’s you need data of at least two weeks minute 1 timeframe/5 timeframe) (minute 1 timeframe is ‘foggy shizzle’ = wrong) Systems normally do work on 1 minute timeframe of even less. 15 seconds etc. (high frequency trading) (5 min also possible but other ratio’s, but a lot of ratio are also able to be spotted on 5min, 5min is max) Trading with a system is not different at all from trading by hand but far more accurate and you are able to monitor more data, standardising your moves.
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[li]Read the book: search for PDF: High Probability Trading Setups for the Currency Market and Kathy Lien.
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[li]Read other books, articles, websites about how to entry, exit, control DD, how percentages work.
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[li]I think babypips is 99.5% bull**** by the way, school is funny, but espacially forex price action (please remove this thread or tell them to shut up)
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[li]Euhm just read those other websites please. metatrader indicators - 35pip.com You need combinations of all indicator groups in left bar of this website. (I’m telling you way to much… :P)
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[li]Know the effects of filtering. Nice terms to google. ‘high probability setups’, ‘mt4 code base’, ‘multiple time frame indicator’, ‘filter (and indicator or…)’ ‘combine indicators’. Know strength and weaknesses of different countertrend/trend/cycle etc systems.
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[li]Know diff systems and how they work. Program diff systems. See how they work, what they do. Combined approaches, single approaches. Different market circumstances. 'spiky etc.) Behavior of different pairs, indexen, diff economic products prices. How does a price equalibrium works actually?
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Enough. (pay me for more)

xaxaxaxa !!! perfect!! So, you are actually making some lovely trading here!!
Amazing!
Ohh come on, give a little credit to babypips - i find them hilarious, was once upon a time browsing the school-pips. xexe

Btw, why don’t you post all this in the zulutrade forum? this way you will have more supports or critics according to the opinion of each one!

No zulutrade forum is junk :wink: and zulutrade pays really sucks for SP’s. (on the other hand) If not trading with 6 mil… we need to set up the investment firm soon. Than we are able to do more serieus business. But I have to finish university first.

Like I told you about 2 months ago… :wink:


Expected:


LIVE Here we are:


Why do you say that??
I love the zulutrade forum! it is pretty interactive and the only reason why I offered you to post there is because it is quite popular. This way you will have exposure to higher audience~

Hai
Can you tell more about the winning stratagy. How do avoid loses. Your stratagy is own or other’s?
Shall you share your stratagy? i will back test it

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trading EURUSD, GBPUSD, AUDUSD = 300 pips/month.

Statistics period: 01-01-2010 / 30-06-2010
2010 EURUSD (maxDD = 530 pips)


Statistics period: 01-06-2010 / 31-12-2010
2010 EURUSD (maxDD = 270 pips)


Statistics period: 01-01-2011 / 30-06-2011
2011 EURUSD (maxDD = 450 pips)


Statistics period: 01-06-2011 / 31-12-2011
2011 EURUSD (maxDD = 410 pips)


5 years ago, I was a newbie myself.
I had to find out the secrets behind trading like all of you searching for gold here.
I lost some money. ($15.000!) Accidentally I even lost $3000 in one day!
My entire savings were gone… I couldn’t stand it.
I programmed and programmed… years after years…

After working for 3 years, I finally started to work together with some other programmers. The next year we launched the first strategy @ zulutrade. Unfortunately, after a couple of months, the account of $25.000 suddenly… (we all know what happened then…)

The previous year I was able to find some very effective improvements. It’s difficult to trade efficient in rapidly changing markets with only preset algorithm codes. Preset strategies have to be able to adapt themselves. Strategies have to be constructed by dividing the strategy in different layers that will be activated during a certain type of market.

This time I wanted to do everything by the book. Building a website, doing backtests, the codes had to be just perfect. (no doubts about the codes) Eventually backtests finally displayed the desired level of perfectionism. Recently we launched PipShip Ext Strategy.

We are very curious about the opinions all of you have about the strategy we made.

Return 3 years. (hypothetical)

Absolute Stop = 600 pips. (Risk original deposit = 6% -> Stop = 94%) Equity: $ 10.000,–

month 1+2 1,03^2 = 1,061. → 6,1% Risk-meter 7% $ 10.609,–

month 3+4 1,16^2 = 1,124. → 12,4% Risk-meter 15% $ 11.920,–

month 5 and beyond:

Stop = 82% …

hit Absolute Stop 1,09^20 = 5.6 → 560%
(average of 20 months till hit Absolute Stop, 1 hit in 2 years trading) Risk-meter 30% $ 66.806,–

loss by hit Absolute Stop -18% Risk-meter 30% $ 54.781,–

Hai
Can you tell more about the winning stratagy. How do avoid loses. Your stratagy is own or other’s?
Shall you share your stratagy? i will back test it

Start reading first loser. You are actually really sad.

Sorry, zuluforum is just… euhm it’s not that easy to read. All those opinions of people. I need facts. I need numbers. I need statistics. I need math. It’s the own language I trust. (I know I’m nerdy right now) People only say bull****.

Don’t need a higher audience. :wink: This strategy will prove itself. Don’t need any marketing next to zulutrade and babypips maybe :wink: haha. All bull**** websites selling ‘their signals’. (they don’t work actually) If something works and people are happy with it, you made a good product… Then it will prove itself. (people writing and telling each other about it). Even here on babypips… in a couple of weeks I don’t have to write anything down here anymore. Then everybody or substantitive percentage of traders is using my strategy. Only thing I still have to do is develop a new service (while everybody knows the name ‘pipship’ and website) to manage accounts for a little bit more fee’s because 4% is too little, people are lazy and using the stop and scaling up lotsize is not that easy. We still have to bring it together in one single product. We do ‘all’ the work needed to get the best profit/risk ratio possible. (still cheap, hedgefunds = 12% each year and 20% of profit and 1% capital is fee for hedgefund and we will perform 12% each month instead of 12% each year)

Than a lot of people will be very happy. Finally hedgefunds and banks starting to get real problems. New bubble , new crisis. (WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF EVERYBODY STARTS EARNING 15% EACH MONTH!!! NOT EVERYBODY CAN BE A MILLIONAIRE!! = COLLAPSE OF MONEY SYSTEM AS WE NOW IT.)

Hopefully I’m still able to use my fortune to bring my band to the next level (I’m playing guitar as semi prof, I want to be prof) I’m able to buy a tourbus, instruments, people helping me with recording, mixing, security, transport etc.) Than I’m very happy. And PipShip… I don’t know? Will keep making money till performance will drop? (hopefully after about 10 years trading) Or… We will see :slight_smile:

Of course I will keep chatting with you guys here. bye! :wink:

I am sorry to say friend - you need people to follow you!
and people are opinionated and they write. The more you write to them the bigger you circle becomes and the more get to follow you. simple math!:slight_smile:

but write whenever you want and like, I am sure it will pay off at the end :wink:

Haha, I know. On the other hand… Well top 10 trading system zulu will give me a lot of followers. (rang = 118 at the moment) And most positive follower rating of zulutrade.

Well next months we will do 400-500 pips/ month and MaxDD is about the same.
(because we are now trading 6 pairs instead of 3)
So now you are able to scale up the lotsize in only 2-3 months!

Because the profit is 400-500 pips a month, you are able to do 25% with only 9% risk on original deposit.

[B]That’s ****ing 25% each month!!![/B]

Oke… Let me do some math :wink:

If you start with only $2000,–
Then first month you will earn: 8,3% (0.3 mLots/$2000)
Then second month you will earn: 16,7% (0.6 mLots/$2000)
Third month and beyond… 25% (0.9 mLots/$2000)
(till hit stop = 22 months)

1,083 * 1.167 * 1,25 ^22 = 171,3
Is 1713 % over 2 years trading.
Minus loss of hit stop : 1250%

So if you are trading with $2000,–
Then after trading 2 years equity is : $25.000,–

Then another 2 years trading equity is about $ 300.000,–

Then another 2 years trading equity is about $ 3.900.000,–
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You are able to gain about 4 million dollars after trading 6 years and only risking $ 180 …[/B]
Can’t believe it… till now it’s working, but this shouldn’t be possible.

Forecast for next month (500 pips profit) looks like this:


Now trading with $ 200.000,00 (dubbled last week)

Hopefully next month trading with $ 500.000,00 - $ 1.000.000,00.

he he hope your projections work !!
However we all know how a drawdown look like, unfortunately.
Btw, why are you using the classic site? still?

Well I think new site is ugly :wink:

Is that so? I find it more useful - has the coolest staff for the followers to proper account management !

Yes I agree. -zuluguard- is very effective tool. But theme is just awfull I think. Orange and Grey. Come on! :stuck_out_tongue:
I am now managing $ 300.000,00 by the way :wink: … Slowly taking over zulu…

I do not care much about the colors, actually am quite a fan of them :wink:

it is not only zuluguard - the margin’s improved, so is the advanced search, plus there is an option on offsetting pips as well.
good for you!! is this real money or you are virtually trading them?

real money of course…

Heyyyyyy way to go pipship!!! trading live account with 300K on zulutrade!
way to go :slight_smile: