Price Action That Matters


Here in the Euro we can see a high quality pin bar form at a key horizontal and diagonal trend line and while you can’t see it, it was also the 21EMA on the daily. This trade was with the trend and had pulled back to the last swing high. It was a really nice looking setup, but if you zoom out to the daily or weekly you can see it is getting very close to a key S/R area in the 1.3700 area. This doesn’t make it un-tradable, but it means you would need to consider it when analyzing trade risk and be diligent to manage the trade correctly.

Two variations of this trade could have been to enter at the break or retracement of the pinbar and get out at 1.3640.
A second, riskier trade would have been moving to BE once price hit 1.3640 in hopes of the strong momentum breaking through the major S/R area. Once price broke through this area and held, your SL could be moved to 1.3640 and the trade allowed to run. The risk of getting stopped out would be higher but your reward could be multiple times larger. Trades like these can provide RR scenarios of 1:5 - 1:10.

We know the trade failed which is what I really what I wanted to talk about. Often talked about is the benefit of “set it and forget it”, while this sounds nice, it isn’t always the best way to trade. I like to strike a balance between that and being passive-defensive in my trade. Often times when price moves against your trade it doesn’t happen suddenly but can fire off warning signals. These signals can help you close part of your position, or the entire trade. This specific trade fired off a large bearish pinbar just above the S/R area where we entered. It was accompanied by very high volume tipping us off to a struggle between bulls and bears, and that bears won that session. While we still have key S/R to buffer our SL, we are also actively watching the price action story unfold and may be time to get pro active in our trade. If you decided to let your trade run, 2 candles later another large pin bar formed, and actually made a double top. This was the market giving you a second chance to partially close your position to minimize capital being risked, or get out of the trade all together.

I wanted to use this recent trade to say something that is often taught against(I like going against the grain, haha). If you would have followed many mainstream teachers, this would have absolutely been a loss. A small amount teach this type of trading as advanced topics, and well let you in on their secrets for a fee.

If we allow price action at key levels to get us into a trade, why would we not let that same price story get us out of a trade going sour? This is a topic that has to be approached very delicately because people tend to get into ditches. In one ditch a personal will never touch a trade, no matter how bad it is looking. In the other hand people sabotage their trade by messing with it too much. For a while, I had a sticky note on my monitor that said “DONT SABOTAGE YOUR TRADES!”. This is because I believe in the benefit of being active in my trades, but it can lead to over-trading or over-managing. You have to learn that proper balance of self control as a trader.

The best way I can put it is this, enter a trade with a pre-plan, every step laid out, and plan to not touch your trade at all. You have your key areas laid out where you will take profit and move stop losses, and plan to stick to it like a robot. But periodically keep an eye on how your trade is unfolding, and intervene only as a lifeline to save your capital. In the same strictness you use to enter PA trades, use that same strictness to get out of them. That means only get out of a trade if the warnings are very obvious. After practicing this type of trade management, you will find the majority of the time price moves to where you stop had been placed.

I began using this type of passive-defensive trading all the way back when I started learning PA. It developed along side of me learning how to enter trades, so it has just become a part of my trading style. For others who have only “set it and forget it”, it may take a while to learn the right times to get out, and you may end up getting out of a couple winners. It will just take practice and making mistakes to start reaping the benefits of it. This is also the same technique I use to increase my position, also called pyramiding into a trade. Most people don’t know this but I will tell a little secret here today, I almost never set take profit limits. Whether I set a TP or not is trade specific, but there are trades where watching what price action does during the trade can help you bag a lot more profit. While this is definitely an advanced topic, I would like to write an in depth article on the topic in the near future. This will be coupled with articles on trade psychology, because this style of defensive trading will hurt you if you don’t have the correct mindset when interacting with your trades.

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Can you guys please help me to identify 2Bar Reversal :
Rules as i understand must meet to consider 2BR: (Example we have 2Bar Reversal Bearish)
1-1st candle must be bullish
2-2nd candle must be bearish
3-2nd candle must close same as 1st candle or lower
4-2nd candle must close within bottom 1/3 .
5-2nd candle up down nose less than top nose.
6-2nd open near or equal close of 1st candle
7-2nd candle high not above 1st candle high
8-two candle mirror each other
Note:As mention above that points in 2BR Bearish
Note: To open trade we need to be in swing high and S/R area
If these conditions correct?
Regarding point 8 when we say its must mirror each other are we talking about the candles body or the whole candle?
More help from you guys to get the clear picture for it
Thanks

Sheesh it’s deader than George Peppard out there on my charts this week…wake me up when a PA happens.

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Here in the Euro we can see a high quality pin bar form at a key horizontal and diagonal trend line and while you can see it, it was also the 21EMA on the daily. This trade was with the trend and had pulled back to the last swing high. It was really a nice looking setup but if you zoom out to the daily or weekly you can see it is getting very close to a key S/R area in the 1.3700 area. This doesn’t make it un-tradable, but means you would need to consider it when analyzing the trades risk and be diligent to manage the trade correctly.

Two variations of this trade could have been to enter at the break or retracement of the pinbar and get out at 1.3640.
A second, riskier trade would have been moving to BE at 1.3640 in hopes of the strong momentum breaking through the major S/R area. Once price broke and held your SL could be moved to 1.3640 and the trade allowed to run. The risk of getting stopped out would be higher but your reward could be multiple times large. Trades like these can provide RR scenarios of 1:5 - 1:10.

We know the trade failed which is what I really wanted to talk about. Often talked about is the benefit of “set it and forget it”, while this sounds nice, it isn’t always the best way to trade. I like to strike a balance between that and being active in my trade. Often times when price moves against your trade it doesn’t happen suddenly but can fire off warning signals. These signals can help you close part of your position, or close the trade all together. This trade fired off a large bearish pinbar just above the S/R area where we entered. It was accompanied by very high volume tipping us off to a struggle between bulls and bears, and that bears did win that session. While we still have key S/R to buffer our SL, we are also actively watching the price action story unfold and may be time to get pro active in our trade. If you decided to let your trade run, 2 candles later another large pin bar formed, and actually made a double top on the lower timeframes. This was the market giving you a second chance to partially close your position to minimize capital being risked, or get out of the trade all together.

I wanted to use this recent trade to say something that is often taught against(I like going against the grain, haha). If you would have followed many mainstream teachers, this would have absolutely been a loss. A small amount teach this type of trading as advanced topics, and well let you in on their secrets for a fee.
If we allow price action at key levels to get us into a trade, why would we not let that same price story get us out of a trade going sour? This is a topic that has to be approached very delicately because people tend to get into ditches. in one ditch a personal will never touch a trade, no matter how bad it is looking. In the other hand people sabotage their trade by messing with it too much. For a while, I had a sticky note on my monitor that said “DONT SABOTAGE YOUR TRADES!”. Because I believe in the benefit of being active in my trades, but it can lead to over-trading or over-managing. The best way I can put it is this, enter a trade with a pre-plan, every step laid out, and plan to not touch your trade at all. You have your key areas laid out where you will take profit and move stop losses and stick to it like a robot. But periodically keep an eye on how your trade is unfolding, and intervene only as a lifeline to save your capital. And in the same strictness you use to enter PA trades, use that same strictness to get out of them. You should only be partially or fully closing trades if the price action against your trade is very obvious. After practicing this type of trade management, you will find the majority of the time price does move to where you stop was placed.
I began using this type of trade interaction all the way back when I started learning PA. It developed along side of me learning how to enter trades, so it has just become a part of my trading style. For others who have only “set it and forget it”, it may take a while to learn the right times to get out, and you may end up getting out of a couple winner. I do believe in the long term, this will protect a traders capital from larger losses. This is also the same technique I use to increase my position, also called pyramiding into a trade. Most people don’t know this but I will tell a little secret here today, I almost never set limits. It is trade specific, but there are trades where watching what price action does during the trade can help you bag a lot more profit. While this is definitely an advanced topic, I would like to write an in depth article on the topic in the near future. But this will have to be couple with articles on trade psychology, because this method will hurt you if you don’t have the correct mindset when interfering with your trades.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Krugman, this is very helpful.

I am going on the 4th week of almost no obvious trades, definitely the slowest I’ve seen in a long time. I know when it hits it going to be like a Piñata breaking open!


2BR’s are the most subjective PA signal of the bunch, which is why I like them the least. I like to make them easier by combining them and if they don’t make a valid pin bar then I don’t trade them. Here is a chart of all different types of 2BRs. Almost anything can be a 2BR.

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I don’t want to get you wrong, but basically what you just wrote counters the idea not using and managing trades on a smaller or any other time frame, but only managing it on the time frame which you have used to enter the trade…

I’m not talking about managing a trade on different time frames, i’m just talking about managing a trade period. The mainstream teaching is make your trade plan, enter your trade and never touch it. I am hoping to show that there is a way to be more active in your trade, but still keeping that interaction very minimal. I tend to look at my trades at the interval the time frame is. My daily trades I check once a day, my 4 hour trades I try to check every 4-8 hours, and just to see if any warning signals are popping up. This takes less than 10 seconds to do, and is hardly any more time spent than just setting it and forgetting it, except with much great benefit to your success. The chart I post was a 4 hour chart, and all 3 of those pin bars formed within a period of 2 days all on the same time frame.

I want to use this comment as an opportunity to say I am not advocating managing a trade on multiple time frames. I am advocating partially or fully getting out of a trade that is throwing very clear warning signals. I think you will find a common theme in all of my posts, article and videos that I am big on keeping everything in the time frame of the price action signal entered your trade on.

I was asking the other day in the other thread why can’t i just not set a TP and let it run until a see a reversal sign/warning and if it is working fine if I can add positions I was answered no on both

That is the difference between a mainstream teaching and what I am teaching. If you ask why you will probably be told something about over trading, setting it and forgetting it, over managing, etc. These same people spend hours a day on forums, but have problems spending a minute or two checking out what their trade is doing. It really doesn’t make any sense. The other answer you may get is that it is too advanced a topic or it doesn’t work. I’m all for keeping things as simple as possible, but not if it means sacrificing profit or missing important dynamics of the market. I think how I trade strikes a great balance between simplicity and not missing the important dynamics. There are yet other PA teachers who do teach this type of trading, and I applaud them for that, but it is tucked away in their paying members only section.

There are trades where set it and forget it is the right thing to do. Primarily in trades where you have a pair that is ranging and you are selling the top of the range and the only logical and probably place to take profit is the bottom area of the range. But in other situations where there is a strong trend or in a very strong swing momentum, sometimes it’s better to take a little extra risk because the reward is tremendously greater. Two times in the last 6 months I have had 100% account increases from a single trade. They were both trades where I didn’t set a take profit, pyramided into them with more lots as the trade ran, and waited for a warning signal to close my positions. These were both during strong trend and momentum moves.

I feel like I am reading a book that’s being written, I keep on refreshing hoping the next page will pop-up :smiley:

It feels like I am writing a book, haha.

Funny you mention that, my wife told me I need to write a book about how I trade. May not be a bad idea.

and what is your decision to add to your position ? is it another PA that shows in the way or just because the trade is working fine or just broke through a major S/R ?

With the way this thread is running it shouldn’t be hard, you will basically need to grab some posts and arrange them into chapters

Either price pulling back to a key S/R area and forming fresh PA to signal further momentum, or a PA pattern forming like a flag which also is signalling further momentum in the near term.

I never use breaks through S/R as signals, because they could just as easily become false breaks. I always and only ever take positions on price action and key S/R levels.

And I trust these patterns/flag will appear sometime in this thread ?

[QUOTE=“EternalNewB;548203”] And I trust these patterns/flag will appear sometime in this thread ?[/QUOTE]

They certainly will. I want to make sure each pattern and candle gets its own article and not just a quick paragraph or comment so to make sure everyone is identifying them correctly and trading them properly.

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I am going on the 4th week of almost no obvious trades, definitely the slowest I’ve seen in a long time. I know when it hits it going to be like a Piñata breaking open![/QUOTE]

Haha that makes me feel better, I am the same. Just waiting it out now for something decent to show up.

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2BR’s are the most subjective PA signal of the bunch, which is why I like them the least. I like to make them easier by combining them and if they don’t make a valid pin bar then I don’t trade them. Here is a chart of all different types of 2BRs. Almost anything can be a 2BR.[/QUOTE]

Thanks again Krugman, I will be printing this off. I currently only trade pin bars, engulfing bars and occasionally morning/evening stars if I get confirmation. I have stayed away from 2BR because as you said they seem very subjective, but I think this chart will be useful in helping me identify the better one.


waiting for price action :53: