No one said or implied that public fora are the place for private one-on-one debates. You complained at the ‘haters’, I simply said that you had been rude to both of them, so perhaps it was no surprise that you got a prickly response. If you are referring to my ‘butted in’ turn of phrase, by that I meant that both parties in the discussion were quite happy, yet you waded in looking to score points off both of them - which suggests more that you were just looking for an argument rather than that you were coming from a standpoint of any principle.
I expect that had you had anything constructive to say, you would have been welcomed into their discussion with open arms. Discussions work best that way.
Apologies, conscious that I just took this into a siding; I only just saw that response from JoshG, and the sarcasm made me want to address it, but I quite agree with the sentiment of your post, so let’s get back onto the cool quotes track.
“I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years
and just tell them we won’t hold it against them, whatever decisions they make,
to just let them help this country recover.”
“You want people who don’t worry about the next election.”
Beverly Perdue, Governor of North Carolina
Tuesday, September 27, 2011
That was a stunningly stupid suggestion, Governor.
If the Ruling Class in the most heavily armed nation on the planet were to
suspend free, democratic elections, they would all be targeted for assassination.
The Ruling Class in this country will be overthrown.
We prefer to do it legally and democratically in November 2012.
That quote seems more like something Hugo Chavez would come up with… Or why not even Putin and his siamese twin Medvedev… Let’s hope Mrs Perdue is relieved of duty come Nov 2012.
[B]“Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be.”[/B]
[B]
Sydney J. Harris[/B]
I have no idea who Harris was, but this quote of his is spot on in pointing out why democracy with all its flaws is still the only acceptable option.
That’s true, I know this too. I have a feeling that Harris quote did refer to democracy combined with a republic. They’re both needed imho. A republic by itself is no guarantee of freedom and human rights as Kim Ping Pong will happily demonstrate and just democracy without the rule of law through a republic is no better since that’s just a fancy way of describing anarchy.
That and a very little government which is just divided in three core parts legi, judi, exe… and no other obligations would imho be the best. The issue right now is that so called democratic goverments are doing more and more business obligations so that they miss to do what they are there for.
Yes, Hugo calls his country republic, but it is really one? Imho a real republic contains the democracy part already.
Personally I feel that as long as a system of government is truly fair and open then it will generally work, the rest of it is just labels. It is where the unfairness and day-to-day secrecy creeps in that it begins to crumble.
Clint, that quote from the North Carolina is amazing! Did it get a lot of media coverage? If a politician came out with in the UK, the Press would have a field day (although our Press have a pretty low threshold for outcry lol)
It depends on which “media” you’re asking about. The media in this country has become very politicized in the past 10 -20 years. So, those media outlets which are inclined to protect the governor, and help her spin her way out of this mess, have given it scant coverage, or downplayed it.
It’s an oversimplification (but not a very big oversimplification) to say that the U.S. has a left-wing media, led by the New York Times and the major television networks, and we have a right-wing media, led by News Max and conservative talk-radio. The left definitely has the louder megaphone.
The leader of conservative talk-radio in the U.S. is Rush Limbaugh (with a listening audience of 20 million people). He describes the relationship between the so-called mainstream media and our left-wing president this way:
“The next time Obama has a colonoscopy, I wonder how many NBC NEWS people they’ll find up there.”
Anyway, here’s one recap of the governor’s asinine remarks —
Thank you for the link, interesting if slightly crazy stuff, and very interesting to hear your take.
I would say that over here (UK), our media is no longer particularly politicized, we have just been taken over by the sensationalists. Vocal disagreement with those in charge - whichever party they represent - has become the norm. Why let facts get in the way of a good moan, after all… sigh.
Gaudy headlines from very little substance seems to be the vogue of the last few years, so when a genuinely sensational story comes along there is little hyperbole left with which to draw a distinction.
ST, thats almost anywhere right now the same in the ez. One big group are the socialists, the other big group are those who support the socialists with endless complaints. Albeit if you look where the culprit is located, those people who complain most and doing nothing are the voters of the socialists.
Most people just seem to wish more welfare politics and not less. While this is a path to disaster. Welfare means supporting the lazy people and hinder the motivated workers with taxation. That’s the reason why the economy shrinks and the jobless “industry” grows.
Welfare models seem to be working fine in Scandinavian countries. There is therefore no correlation between welfare and unemployment, like you insinuate. Are you seriously suggesting that unemployment equals laziness? By that standard, then, the US is one of the most lazy countries in the Western world. The reason why people “seem to wish more welfare politics and not less” is because people want insurance and universal healthcare. Many Americans are struggling. Your so called “economic freedom” is a joke in the sickest taste when you live in poverty.
But, you already know my position on this. Here comes the ****storm…
…Although, I may agree that not all welfare models would work in the US. People here are so unwilling to change, and your bureaucracy is a giant red tape, evident by the fact that it is so inefficiency. By this I mean Welfare value received per dollar is less than in other countries.
