Dunno @Manxx, I had hoped we could have a grown up discussion, but I’m not sure we can actually.
Evidence presented is either +Brexit or -Brexit and there is actually very little out there giving a moderate view of the EU and it’s Institutions.
I understand your objections in your first post and you have some valid points. Why should I make some feel uncomfortable in their situation ?
I think when you look at some of the posts from “remainers” and “Others” on this thread and others, It feels a little as though they’ve been dropping “Soma” (Huxley).
In fact it seems there is a feeling of optimism among those posting that we had a way back in the '60s
Insofar as "Love is all you need" and yet oddly the “love” only seems to extend to those who are also on the “Soma” and the drive to silence and ridicule anyone who offers the “Red Pill” is met with is remarkable.
In fact we (Uk is still “in” atm) are a conglomeration of many different cultures, languages, traditions and very different economies analogous perhaps with this ;
Well in the '60’s, the logical if unpalatable truth was that the Hippies formed communes - wherein the children were treated as “communal property” and oft nobody even knew who their Fathers were - it was “unimportant” (although in reality - HUGELY important to the children as they grew up)
THe Communes eventually just petered out and “San Francisco” is now regarded by many as a drug infested place and one most people would not want to live in.
THe “Love culture” turned to the “Fat Wallet” - “ME-me-me” time of the 80’s
I do not say this will happen to the EU - I simply point out that the “Law of Unintended Consequences” is one of the most powerful of all natural “Laws”.
To me the “European Economic Community” which was ALL we voted to join back then - has turned into a Protectionist organisation and built Tariff walls around itself, to protect inefficiency.
Then as the “ever closer union” philosophy started to come about - some would say by subterfuge - some countries began to have doubts - In fact GreenLand was an early leaver and left the “EEC” in the '80’s (Well they had a LOT of fish, they thought they would rather keep for themselves)
For some of us, we foresee Huxleys “Soma” turning imperceptibly into Orwell’s “Big Brother”.
Just now there are a Lot of the countries of the EU who seem less optimistic and whose populations are voting ever more firmly for those who would leave. Some advocate “Reform from within”
Well I wish those who wish to do so, all the best.
Sadly I think Orbison said it
Maybe those who hate us - will get their wish - we’ll see !