True PA trading using MA's for S/R

I do use a 5 min but just on 1 and 5 oclock trades and retest to see the turn quicker. But it isn’t part of the system. I have adapted the 15 min ma’s for the 5 min. Just times 3. values. If you read the original PDF post #1 you will see that EO uses PO’s Pending Orders to get into trades because sometimes the price moves so fast a manual entry can be missed. The 5 Min isn’t really required . The best trader of this sytem doesn’t use anything but the information presented here. He hit 4500 pips this week trading 3 pairs. G/U , E/J and E/U. He is good at holding his trades and also trades all the scalps and counter trend trades using 2 accounts. A goal to reach for…

                                Ken

goodness…thts something great to here for a newbie like me trying to achieve 500 pips a month…lol…yes I do wanna reach heights that u guys have attained…i am reading all what I can from posts here and forexfactory…I have this problem of not jumping into a trade until I recieve some confirmation candles even if it is a retest …thts y it seems to me that if i can learn PA on 5 min candles…it will be easier for me to enter…but anyway since u have said this I must try POs as EO do …jus a personal question if you dont mind sharing…how many lots do you trade(jus to motivate myself …LOL) .

Dec 19, 2009 3:23am (4 hr ago)
luckylady
Member Member Since Jul 2009
318 Posts


As its pretty early on a very snowy UK morning, I just wanted to say a little something about the trader’s mindset and how much difference it can make to how you trade. More for my own processes than anything else because all I can say is, last week was a disaster for me and it was entirely my own fault.

Anyone that uses MT4, have you been through the exercise of dragging the trades from the history window to your chart? Its a very good exercise if you want to face the truth about your trading. After such a bad week I did just that, and what I was thinking when I put in and took out trades, all I can say is WTF!

I broke every rule there was, took 1 or 2 pips on good trades, then watched them run and run, then bad trades, let them run and run

This way of trading can make a truck load of pips a week if played properly, Pippinole can testify to that, he does it week in week out along with EO and quite a few others and I really admire their mindsets. Hopefully I won’t have another week like last week again.

I can see the trades before they happen, I could tell you where its likely to bounce, I know every single one of EO’s setups and know they work, so what happened? All I can think is that I stopped trusting what I was seeing. How strange!

If you went into the trading systems section of this forum and saw a system that had an indicator that put either an up or down arrow on the chart when the system told you to go, and you knew that 8/9 times out of ten they worked, it would be the most popular thread in FF. There are a couple of them now, in fact I’ve used some of them in the past, but as we know, no “system” lasts forever, the markets change and most only work in trending markets, which is why I started to learn this way of trading (because its not a “system”). I wanted something that would work in any type of market conditions, I wanted something that would work even if there was just a 30 pip range for the day I don’t think I have ever seen these words said by EO or the other seniors in this thread, you must have all seen these:

“Its too choppy, stay out”
“Market is ranging stay out”
“It hasn’t chosen a direction stay out”
“There will be low volume stay out”

in other words I wanted to learn to trade!

And that is exactly what I’ve done, I’ve actually learned to trade here, all thanks to EO and the others, but unless you can believe what you’re seeing and act on it, and get your mind right, its not going to do you a whole lot of good. This more than any other thread on FF relies on you and that is probably why a lot of people find it so tough, it doesn’t put an arrow there for you, you have to believe what you’re seeing and you can’t blame an arrow if it goes wrong.

So, into next week, when just about every other thread is giving up for Christmas, I am going to be still trading and at the end of this week I hope to have something better to report.

Please forgive my waffle, as I said, its more for my own processes than anything else, but for anyone else battling their own minds, at least you know you’re not on your own

Have a great Christmas everyone and here’s to an even better New Year


Thank you eohater

First I am not the best trader out there I am not even a good trader. But it isn’t from not knowing this system. It is for lack of wanting to repeat it. see last post by Luck Lady. You will find that the phsycological part of trading is the hardest. It isn’t how much or even getting all the trades it is what you do with the ones you do get that counts. You will also find that the less you trade per pip the more you will make. I know you don’t believe this we all have dreaams of compounding to that first million in 3 months. I have never seen it done.

I have and know a trader personnally that is trading this systems went from 15 k to 1 mil in little over a year and didn’t compound the way you could still trades only 14 lots. One guy took 5 yrs for the 1st mil and 5 months for the second . 20 lots now . So you see they aren’t even close to 1% . But the most important thing is they are comfortable. I personally trade between 4 and 12 dollars a pip. I can make more money doing this than trading more at this point. I am still retraining my mind to trade correctlly. I know these entries I know what I should do . But pulling it off is another matter.

That being said it is so much easier to close a bad trade using a small amount than using bigger. Standing on the outside you would think the opposite Losing more close quicker. It doesn’t work that way in your head. Your loss starts to grow you don’t want to accept that large a loss you want to wait for it to pull back just a little . But it doesn’t it breaks another s/r area and jumps another 15 or 20 pips against you. Reason Number one to use your stops and never move them. If they keep taking you out to soon look at your entries not your stops.

Hope this doesn’t scare you off. But it is reality. If you use smaller amounts that allow you to keep your emotions in check you will learn any sysytem easier . Then graudually increase the risk. At some point I hope you get like the other great traders saying . This trading thing is boring. Because once you really get it , it is. It is nothing more than seeing a red light and stopping and when it turns green go. It is the learning to see the signals that is hard and if we are letting our emotions get in the way we can’t even see the signals. ( see Trading In The Zone ) Good book explianing why we may not actually see what is really there and once you can agree with that you will start to see.

                    Have a great Weekend Next Week Maybe a Struggle Ken

As always you are an inspiration Ken
Have a great weekend
Dave

Hi ken,
I really appreciate your time and patience in explaining things so clearly. I have few questions on news trading . How do you treat news. I know you are a technical trader .

  1. So do you keep away from the market when a news is about to release?
  2. Lets say u see a good setup 30 min before a major news release do you still trade that setup and close out your position a few min before news ?
  3. whats your thinking when the first 15 min candle after the news close justifying your technical setups do you enter them or have a buffer period for the effect of the news to get settle down. Because I have seen during news time the first candle closes favouring bearish/bullis sentiment and the next candle going entirely opposite direction. Whats your view on this?

Hope this helps. Ken

Thanks Ken that helped

Dear Ken,

Here is a trade which I took today @ the london open. My entry was @ 1.6157 and initial target was 1.6095 . But when price reached 1.6116 area (minor support ) there was 2 doji candles formed . I took the profit and closed the trade with +pips . Was it the right thing to do . Because if i waited a few more minutes the next candle should have hit my TP . Please see the diagram attached and advice


Taking profit is never wrong. But as we gain skill we see stalling price action verses areas it may retrace or reverse. Your TP choice was very well as it turned right on it. The longer term traders tend to watch the Ma’s and wait for the price to start closing above the minor ma’s. But they also use mulitple orders and close part of thier trades as it moves in their favor. They may stay in until it breaks a swing area they got in off. Looking for areas to add back on the position size they have taken off.

                           Hope this helps  Ken


Hi.

I have a couple of questions about today`s trade if you don’t mind.


Here you go…


KENNETH lEE
Trade Inspiration Not Despiration . Member Since Nov 2008
1,834 Posts


Hi, EO, KENN, PippiNole, Lucklady and all
Thanks for all of your contribution to this thread, it is very helpful, I am reading…
I have some newbbie questions, if any of you guys have time, please help to explain.

  1. is it possible that 1h62ema and 15m35/50ma give different direction signals? like one direct to LONG, an other direct to SHORT.

Yes, They can reminds of two instances last week had a shooting star on the 1 hr and hamer on the 4 Hr. in both those cases the 4 hr. prevailed. But I had thought and it was possible that The 1 Hr would just send price into the wiick of the 4 Hr then price could turn But it didn’t. But those signal can happen and bot can workout one could be a retest the other withthe trend. But if your getting both at once it very possible one is not in the right location as far as a retracemnet goes. Look for the ones that is 50% reversed from the last swing on it’s time frame 15 Min for the 35/50 cross and 1 hr. on the 62 Ema touch. Hope this helps. If all else fails I would go with the one that is with the major trend on the 1 Hr or 4 hr. charts .

  1. if 1h has a hangman/hanmperman/shooting star, but also one candlestick cross 15m35/50ma, which one should we consider first?
    thanks

See above. LOL same thing really the 35/50 can and does just give us a retest sometimes which could also just push price down or up the wick of that pin making both valid. Or the either one could fail it does happen. The whole idea with signal is they just give you a visual that a certian move is possible. Then look at everything else PA , PPA overall trend position of priceing regarding retracement. Then make your choice to which you see as better. It gets easier with time…

Ken


Good Trading To All ; Ken Lee

Hi Jaggu,

What entry signal made you take the trade?

Ken, It goes without saying…Many thanks for the constant contribution and much appreciated by all those looking into this strategy!

Hi EO,

I didn’t remember something about range BO you’ve mentioned a couple of weeks ago. Searched the thread too but couldn’t find it.

It had to do with fake breakouts and violent reversals. I think I remember, that you’ve said you would place stop and reverse orders to get taken into a fast move in the other direction.

We saw this a couple of times this month from the Asian range.

Can you elaborate again. Thanks

Cheers

Thomas

EO maybe busy wrapping Xmas Gifts Ken


Hi Hal hal,

It was a gud PPA area Together with the 200 SMA. The flat close of the bull candle give me enough confidence to go short on the next candle.

Thanks Jaggu86

Hi Ken ,

For taking 5&1 0 clock trades ,do you recommend 62 ema and 200 SMA also to be in the same direction as that of the other MAs . Or jus the lower MAs starting from 50 to 5 need to be in 1 direction?

Hi Ken ,

For taking 5&1 0 clock trades ,do you recommend 62 ema and 200 SMA also to be in the same direction as that of the other MAs . Or jus the lower MAs starting from 50 to 5 need to be in 1 direction?

Yes the 5/10 or 21 ema need to be pointing towards 1 for uptrend and 5 for a downtrend. the porpuse of those entries is for when you may miss the start of a new trend the first 1 or 5 oclock trade can be the retest of the break of the 35/50 area. also look for some PPA to help make these trades a bit more easy to take a lot of times the pullback will be in the area of a previus turn or something… see example chart. The red Candle also closed with a flat bottom even a bit more confiramtion.


Thanks Ken & Happy XMas