Of course it’s a ‘Defence’ - one which the High Court in Belfast immediately recognised in dismissing the 3 cases it decided on above. The ruling of teh Court is read out within the link I posted and they are unequivocal.
The definition of democracy is that everyone gets a vote. The largest number of votes is the winner and gets their way.
The losers by deinfition accept the view of the majority. THAT is called “Loser’s consent” !
THAT is what is missing here. The result is known and the squealing and shouting by the remoaners is irrellevant to the cause of democracy.
This is now causing concern, not only in the UK - but worldwide and is being recognised as a threat to world democracy as we know it.
If this were some African Country - we would all be shouting to restore democracy - but it isn’t - UNBELIEVABLY - this is the UK ! “Mother of democracy” and the resorting to any and every means of unfair machinations by the remoaners to defeat democracy is disgraceful.
Current leader of the United Kingdom is democratically elected using that criterium?
My reply had zilch to do with what I suppose is your reference to the Brexit Referendum, rather I’m referencing the autonomy of our legal system to which the legislature is subject - not divided by a ‘separation of powers’ hence there is no such defence.
There is one exception to this rule, I’m sure most know what it is.
Have to disagree with you mate.
At elections you know who the party leader is and what his manifesto is. When they change leaders in mid term you can be stuck with someone who’s agenda alienates you.
This is why BJ was so critical of Gordon Brown - ironic!
If their agenda is alienating too many people they will lose MP’s at the next election and get voted out. In fact, it usually happens that if MP’s see their own constituency support dying away dramatically they force the leader to resign.
Of course its rich that Boris Johnson criticised another politician for doing what he has done himself. That’s all part of the game. Parliament can enact laws to make certain political “tricks” illegal - but they don’t (because the opposition might want to have those same dodgy tricks up its sleeve for when they get into power). Power is the name of the game, not truth.
It will be very sad if any of the home countries leaves the UK. But not so sad that they should not have the option.
As far as NI is concerned, it is doubly tragic that UK governments have repeatedly dealt with the issues in such a ham-fisted way. Not talking about Brexit, I’m going back centuries. But we are where we are - so if NI thinks it should be out of the UK, just as Scotland might, they have the right to leave.
It would be interesting if there were some sort of independence race going on here. Imagine what would be the situation if one country left the UK, say either Scotland or NI, and the second to leave the UK was England. How would the remaining two countries feel about that?
An unlikely scenario but not impossible. Stranger things have happened. A few years back Breton separatists were calling for a unified Breton nation comprising Brittany, Wales and Scotland.
116.000 poles left the UK in 2018. Seems many more to follow soon. So the brexiteers get exactly what they want. Skilled people with jobs, Phd’s and degrees are leaving the country.
I wonder what happens to real estate prices when a city in the size of Sheffield leaves the country and gets replaced by unskilled labourforce that needs years of training just to resume standards held years before as the normal.
As estimates suggest half of the polish UK population will be leaving the UK after brexit.
Could the UK lose a million or two of its population after brexit if other citizen of other nationalities also chose to leave?
No doubt the Polish government would rather that hard-working tax-paying Poles in the UK were hard-working and tax-paying in Poland. He might be expected to have concerns apart from the best interests of his Polish compatriots in the UK.
I hope nobody who is hard-working and tax-paying in the UK needs to leave due to Brexit.
That is true and an oft cited situation regarding “immigrant workers” - and clearly in this case the uk’s gain of young workers is Eastern Europes loss domestically.
However if you drive thrugh Poland as we did a few years ago, you will notice teh Plethora of new and part built houses at the side of semi derelict old dwellings. - One may surmise as we did, that the young people who were working in teh uk and elsewhere were sending money home, to finance this building work. This is perfectly logical action if the young people were intending in the fullness of time, to return as locally wealthy residents.
What the “working and paying tax in the uk” argument fails to recognise is that the action of sending money home effectively equates to invisible “import costs” to the uk, which are not recognised or accounted for either in the official figures or by those extolling the virtues of “immigrant labour” as net contributors to the uk economy.
Similarly, the same actions are bringing money into Poland and therefore can be equated to “invisible exports” of great benefit to local tradesmen and builders suppliers etc.
If a foreign national lives and works in the UK he is contributing to it’s economy with the rent/rates/paye/Nat Insurance/ electricity/phones/clothing and all the other costs of living.
If he is able to send money home then that must represent his savings - he has 3 choices, either to put it in a bank, put it under the mattress or send it home.
Only the first choice marginally affects the UK economy, the rest have no impact.
In my city there is a huge re-cycling plant operated on a 24hr schedule, I often see the busses pick up the workers all of whom are foreign nationals.
I often wonder what exactly does the Govt do with the extra PAYE/Nat Ins that these guys pay - I do know it didnt go into healthcare.
Does it just go into the pot and then we grumble when we cannot get a GP appointment.
Anyways, I know I wouldn’t like to work in that plant - it’s the rats you see…
Common criticisms of (especially) Eastern European workers in the UK are hard to square up. Firstly they take jobs from British workers by taking low pay, secondly they send piles of money home rather than spend it here.
If they’re on such low wages, how can they be sending vast sums of money home?
Aye and it’s funny how these things can work out in the long term.
My father worked in England, he lived a frugal life there saving and sending money home, then eventually coming back.
Because of his hard work my parents were able to ensure that i got a grammar school education (not private but still costly).
Because of that education I was able to get a job in business management as a 17yr old.
Because of that first job I was able to start up in business and have since paid a lot in corporation taxes/rates/vat etc back to the UK. Also have been lucky enough to employ others who likewise have paid their taxes over the years.
BTW - the sky news story this evening has a certain substance - the Irish PM is to meet Boris next week in NY - the Taoiseach was overheard to say that the ‘mood music is good’ (although the official line is that the gaps are wide).
