What was the most shocking thing you heard? (real life or fictional)

Hello there! thought I start a new thread for something I’m interested in.

What was the most shocking thing you heard so far in your life?

may be in 2023, may be ever. It may be funny, thrilling, Horrifying or even wired.

If it’s related to a news story or video you may share the links here too, so others can look more into it if they are interested.

Maybe it’s something happened in History, or in a movie or a TV series. or a sudden death of a celebrity you adored.


Even it’s something you’ve experienced yourself.

Any and all “shocks” are welcome here :wink:

(I’ll probably edit the post later with my answer :grinning:)


It has to be the slavery for me, I cannot believe humans lived in an era where someone could own someone. I mean people can still own people, but not in “that” sense.

Also the “Witch trials” how many women were killed “accused” of being witches, when they refuse the advances of men with power. hat’s crazy that human history is filled with thigs in that nature, not in just one country or region, but all over different culture and continents.

I simply can’t believe that kind of atmosphere with the way we live our lives now.


It’s the most awful thing. There has never been a historic period when slavery did not exist. The first people to take a stand against slavery were the Europeans in the 19th century, but its eradication has stil not been 100%.

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you can add genocides and other atrocities around the world, The human mind can be evil


I understand what your saying, but the way we live now, don’t you think too many people are still being exploited? Or being mistreated.

In a way I think we live in a world of modern slavery now.


There isn’t much similarity between being an Amazon warehouse picker and a Roman galley slave. You might have reservations about modern life, but it isn’t slavery.


Nothing shocked me more than Taliban rules for women in Afganistan. Forcing girls out of schools and Universities, prohibiting all public places to women. Shocked! Angry! and Dissapointed! How can such primitive savegary be allowed in modern world. :cry:


That’s a big one!

I’ve come across many stories like that too, recently I came across one of the most logical explanations for this by Neil De Grass Tyson, why lonely women were considered witches.
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:grinning: This is true to many places in the world, saddest thing is there are many that does not have this too.

Humans came a long way…but they still have a heck of a long way to go.


Well they had to end what they spread :face_with_hand_over_mouth:, It existed in almost everywhere… but didn’t Europeans in the name of “exploration” and “religion” engaged in mass slavery trading.

It’s true. the next generations continue to get better and understood the error of the ways of their ancestors and youth groups started many campaigns to abolish slavery.

It’s sad that it still haven’t stopped 100% . :neutral_face:

Yep, It continues to happen in very recent history too. Even in 21st centyry alone there’s whole lot and it’s hard to swollow.
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This is just beyond CRAZY!! Unbelievable! Disgusting! A complete violation of human rights! I hope and pray they will soon become FEE. It’s been nearly one and half years and it’s crazy it’s still going on and more laws following to suppress women and girls…


“…they had to end what they spread”…

But why do you think they had to end it?. No other culture in history had adopted abolition.

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Specifically the English ! Whose navy attcked and defeated the slave ships belonging to “Other European” Countries.

Oh and whilst we are at it - The “slavers” were Black Africans - who sold their own people to the European traders for shipment to the Americas - but what we don’t hear about from these “do-gooders” is that the majority of teh slaves were marched to the EAst (both men and women) although the men were castrated and more than half died in the process. The women were used in the Muslim Countries as sex-toys among other things and any resultant babies were either sold on or “Aborted” after birth. - That is why there are NO descendents of these creatures to hold their historical captors to ransom.

Someone mentioned the Romans - and towards the end of the Roman reign, it was made illegal for “free men” to sell themselves into slavery and any caught doing so were killed.

Also the IRISH for 700 years pre the time they all remember were systemically raiding the mainland of England / Wales and taking slaves !

As with almost all of the “issues” the lefties get so worked up about - slavery is so precised and mis-reported by those seeking political advantage that the “useful footsoldiers” are believing that the whole thiong can be condensed into a short phrase or two and still make any sense !


Sad that the US education system sees slavery as an issue that started with cotton plantations and ended with Abraham Lincoln.


Slavery wasn’t about race until the trans-Atlantic slave trade

Slavery was prevalent in many West and Central African societies before and during the trans-Atlantic slave trade. When diverse African empires, small to medium-sized nations, or kinship groups came into conflict for various political and economic reasons, individuals from one African group regularly enslaved captives from another group because they viewed them as outsiders. The rulers of these slaveholding societies could then exert power over these captives as prisoners of war for labor needs, to expand their kinship group or nation, influence and disseminate spiritual beliefs, or potentially to trade for economic gain. Though shared African ethnic identities such as Yoruba or Mandinka may have been influential in this context, the concept of a unified black racial identity, or of individual freedoms and labor rights, were not yet meaningful.

White slavery (also white slave trade or white slave trafficking) refers to the slavery of Europeans, whether by non-Europeans (such as West Asians and North Africans), or by other Europeans (for example naval galley slaves or the Vikingsthralls). Slaves of European origin were present in ancient Rome and in the Islamic world, such as the Arab slave trade, the Barbary slave trade, the Black Sea slave trade and the Ottoman Empire.

Many different types of white people were enslaved. On the European continent under feudalism, there were various forms of status applying to people (such as serf, bordar, villein, vagabond, and slave) who were indentured or forced to labor without pay.

During the Arab slave trade, Europeans were among those traded by the Arabs.[1] The term Saqaliba (Arabic: صقالبة) was often used in medieval Arabic sources to refer specifically to Slavic slaves traded by the Arab traders, but it could also refer more broadly to Central, Southern, and Eastern Europeans who were also traded by the Arabs, as well as all European slaves in some Muslim regions like Spain including those abducted from raids on Christian kingdoms of Spain.[2][3] During the era of the Fatimid Caliphate (909–1171), the majority of slaves were Europeans taken along European beaches and during conflicts.[1] Similarly, the Ottoman slave trade that included European captives was often fueled by raids into European territories or were taken as children in the form of a blood tax from the families of citizens of conquered territories to serve the empire for a variety of functions.[4] In the mid-19th century, the term ‘white slavery’ was used to describe the Christian slaves that were sold into the Barbary slave trade.


Yes, but that is the History of American slaves. How they got to America does not erase or lessen the atrocities committed within America.

Forced labor was not uncommon — Africans and Europeans had been trading goods and people across the Mediterranean for centuries — but enslavement had not been based on race. The trans-Atlantic slave trade, which began as early as the 15th century, introduced a system of slavery that was commercialized, racialized and inherited. Enslaved people were seen not as people at all but as commodities to be bought, sold and exploited.

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Slavery also had its religious component.

European Christians were enslaved by Muslims in North Africa between 1530 and 1780 – a far greater number than had ever been estimated before.


It’s not correct to isolate the Trans-Atlantic slave trade as having introduced the racial element into slavery. Throughout history, slaves were almost always from another tribe, land, religion, society, island, culture etc. as well as very often from another race. It has always been difference that is important, not race.

Nominating the Trans-Atlantic slave trade as the initiator of the race element in slave trading implies that the Europeans specifically were responsible for inventing this and played a particularly wicked role by racialising slavery - because they were already racist. But in fact, most slave-owning and slave-trading cultures had no or very little contact with peoples of other races so their slaves were often of the same race - for example, there is no evidence of any significant exploration or trading outside of Africa by sub-Saharan cultures, yet slave-trading was an inherent part of the continent’s economy.

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That was my point.


The racism and hatred of people based on their skin color evolved from slavery and colonization.

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This simply has no basis in fact. There has always been hatred amongst many people of the people other human groups, even amongst those of the same race. These relationships have historically always existed (and persist today) even where neither group has been a coloniser of the other. There are many groups of the same race who would happily kill each other.

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