For our American cousins here is a pic from Sky News a couple of days ago of the Rottweiller - well actually a pretty normal guy. He is a SPAD (special advisor to Boris Johnson) and the PM relies quite heavily on his advice.
Spad’s are usually unelected as is the case here:
The controversy is that he is supposed to have broken lock-down rules and because he is high profile many are calling for his head including members of the governing party.
I broke the rules myself - I hugged my grandchild - but nobody noticed except the child’s mum who gave me the all clear. Now if everyone in the UK who has broken the rules in the past weeks were to resign their jobs…
You’re entitled to your OPINION of course - but it is at variance with that of many others - He is widely regarded as the “Brains” behind the Brexit vote, Boris becoming PM AND the annihilation of the Labour vote in 2019 - And the “Leaving strategy” currently being pursued ! - As “Pretty Normal” goes and to explain WHY the Swamp is desperately trying to get rid of him - take a listen to what someone American who was with hiim at Oxford Uni has to say about the “Pretty Normal” Guy !
AS I said 3 days ago - "He can come and sit at the “Falstaff Table” in the Boars Head - any time he’s in town !
[You need to follow the link to the other thread - to get access to the “reference” which is only 3 minutes long = but highly informative ]
Aye, there are a few who dislike him in the corridors - goes with the territory i suppose.
Now the thing is back awhile i made mention of a plan he had to sort all the stuff about Brexit and Northern Ireland - remember no-one on the planet could see how the circle could be squared as the many analysts put it - how could you get the UK out and keep NI in.
I called it the: This plan is called the Peterma ‘cummings’ plan
Again I point out with no evidence what so ever 90% of American news media has spent the last three yeas not speculating, not suggesting but flat out accusing Russia of interfering with the 2016 election. Now if those 90% of the media would use the same standard they judged Russia and apply that to China what would the conclusion be. Seems pretty clear
The Russian govemment directed extensive activity, beginning in at least 2014 and carrying into at least 2017, against U.S. election infrastructure’ at the state and local level. The Committee has seen no evidence that any votes were changed or that any voting machines were manipulated.
While the Committee does not know with confidence what Moscow’s intentions were, Russia may have been probing vulnerabilities in voting systems to exploit later. Alternatively, Moscow may have sought to undermine confidence in the 2016 U.S. elections simply through the discovery of their activity
Depends on an interpretation of ‘interference’ - the US is founded and grounded on democracy - if i were Putin i would at least direct some resources in an attempt to undermine that foundation (he failed because the Founding Fathers had the wisdom of foresight).
Since that time Putin has created his own version of democracy in Russia - but that’s for the Russian people to to comprehend and not ours to interfere.
The conclusion should be based on evidence, not what the media wish to “report”.
The fact that they previously wished to suggest something without evidence does not mean that whatever they now report that does have evidence is therefore false. Its nothing to do with the media. Its to do with the evidence.
I thought I’d take my time on this one @peterma - to try to give an answer which might satisfy your natural scepticism.
There is a saying ; "In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is King…!"
So let us envisage such a land where a population of the blind is ruled over by a small hierarchy of one eyed “People” who told them what to do and kept them safe by looking out for lions and snakes etc. The blind people worked the fields under one eyed foremen and the society - the blind were kept alive but subservient and were grateful for the input of teh one eyed people - who naturally held a higher position and superior privileges and enjoyed the dependency of the blind people.
Some of teh one eyed people became “educators” who recited the “lessons” to the blind peoples children and to their own - in a way they became priests and priestesses and told a story that once upon a time all people had two eyes (Which was basically true) and they also said that some of the “two eyes” then became tyrannical and stole the eyes of most people at birth (Which was not true) - the fact was that a genetic mutation occurred which led to a badly connected optic nerve system and the “two eyes " found that this could be treated medicaly by a relatively simple operation to restore sight, when the affected people became adult - but due to the medication, the genetic mutation became more and more pravalent - and the afflicted were kept in protected environments until they were of age, by a version of the Welfare state. until the “Apocalypse” - which may ave been as simple as two eyed women finding “more satisfying” things to do than having children - came” and there were no longer sufficient “two eyes” to operate such a benevolent system. The “two eyes” with much regret decided to look after ther own interests first and simply left the old, the Blind and their occasional “One eyed” children to fend for themselves which was how this society came about. The old tried to look after the blind for as long as they could - and though they died off pretty soon, their valiant efforts did manage to get this “New society” to a state where they were independent enough to survive before they died off.
Now it was known that occasionally two blind people could have a one eyed child because the blind could be “Split” for a left eye sighted - or a right eye sighted and if two "Left eye splits mated - 25 % of their children would be left eye sighted - but there was no way of knowing which split each adult might carry (IF ANY) and infant mortality was of necessity high
So what do we know about people with one eye ?
They can see well enough but have a restricted field of vision, see only in 2 dimensions and find it almost impossible to judge distance because of the lack of the third dimension.
So apart from the stories they had invented to explain their existence and their common plight, “One eyes” would naturally feel their privileged position highly threatened by any potential “two eyes” and any “two eyeds” born to blind couples would be quiety terminated by the “One eyes”.
The number of “two eyes” born to one eyed couples would be higher but relying as it would on both being “Split” for the other eye - would still be micro small.
So it is then that the parents of a child afflicted with “two eyes” would chide their children if they soke of having two eyes or showing this afflictin in public - since tehy would almost certainly be instantly put to death by the other “One eyes” - or teh blind acting as instruments of the “One eyes” and acting as they had been educated.
Thus then is the context of your question and what would happen if such a “two eyes” sought to be elected into a leadership position by the blind and teh “One eyes” ?
Many of those we speak of here have had such experiences and since we started with him I cite Bret Weinstein - who could easily have been killed by Black Supremacist students at Evergreen College - for simply asserting his right and that of His students to equality.
One is led to ponder on how many of those students are now “protesting Police murders” in Minnesota ?
Nay mate - they should not be “seeking election” - WE should be begging them on bended knee to help us in our hour of crisis !
[Edit PS - apologies for the typos - must get an external keyboard - the laptop is getting very sticky on teh keys ! ]
There is simply no comparison between Chinese strategies in governing china and US policies in governing the US.
Of course, it is very much to the benefit of Marxists etc. to portray the institutions, the establishment, the judiciary, the government, of a “target” country to be inept and corrupt, as by this means they can gather popular support for these to be torn down. Their replacement of course would be a Marxist one-party state government run by the party for the benefit of Communism (i.e. the party).
It would be nice to have by means of a fair comparison, some pics of the “re-education” camps in Uygur province in China currently housing perhaps 1.5 million citizens -
oh wait, the Chinese don’t allow journalists into the region…
True, in Hong Kong the first violence came from the protesters side while in the US the police started it
Compare with Guantanamo
While in the US the President just calls them liars and false news
Gotta love how people on here jump on anything they disagree with, labelling it as ‘Marxist’, ‘TDS’, ‘far-Left’. Clearly only interested in hearing their own voices
Nevertheless, you are wrong to conflate Chinese government and US government. The two government styles and philosophies as well as the two societies are completely unrelated.
China has a vile, corrupt, aggressive, imperialistic and self-serving dictatorship, no better for the Chinese people than life servitude under mass-murderer Chairman Mao. The entire philosophy of communism rests on the subjugation of the individual, backed by state sanctioned violence and repression.
It is inevitable that anyone defending the Chinese government will be suspected of Marxists sympathies, as the government is run on Marxist lines and the Marxist movement has a long history of undermining public faith in democratic governance and institutions. If you don’t like that kind of labelling, change your politics.
I normally wouldn’t get involved in a Political discussion… and I don’t pretend to know a great deal about US Politics… Only the consistent one upmanship from both sides of the media who appear to believe that all US citizens agree with their view…
A view from afar (Australia) it appears that whatever President Trump says (or doesn’t say) is targeted by the left wing media and mercilessly lambasted until the next gotcha moment is ready to be exploited…
He refrains from doing a media release about the Rioting… He is mocked for not speaking… He comes forward and does a media release and gets mocked for standing in front of a church (really…) and because the Police and the National Guard is struggling to regain control… suggests the Military should step in during unprecedented times… and gets mocked again… it’s f@#king unbelievable to watch…
The economy is already on it’s knees and you get these moronic self obsessed groups destroying any resemblance of hope as the US comes out of lockdown…
The amount of rubbish going on in the US in the last 90 days or so… Has not been of the Governments making… COVID19, Lock Downs, Economic downturn, Floyd’s Death, Rioting, Looting etc, etc, etc…
It’s pretty much to the point Trump should just walk away and leave the office to The Democrats… and see if they can do a better job… which we know would not happen because of the depth of the issues.
I have US friends (Democrat supporters) stuck here in Australia due to the border closures who are now stressed about returning the States due to the chaos and anarchy throughout the country…
Sad, sad, sad state of affairs for such a great Country…
I have looked back to see if you could produce any convincing evidence or statistics to support your claims of police brutality here in the UK. It seems you did not reply.
Perhaps you couldn’t find enough evidence to be worth posting up on here. But you should post up what you have found out, what drove you to the conclusion you came to about the UK.
Hmmm… reminds me of a society - at times they elected their leader at other times the leader took control by force.
They saw themselves as two eyed. Very few one eyed persons could get into their society.
As for all those one eyed and blind people outside - they were to controlled within their own society by their leaders - the two eyed would rule, even provide help in the form of infrastructure and security - for which the one eyed and blind would pay by way of tax.
The two eyed hated the one eyed and blind - likewise the one eyed hated the blind and the two eyed - every class hated each each other class - division reigned.
Then there came someone who broke the mold. He said let’s all work together for each other - no more division.
All three groups decided they would kill this Person - they could not tolerate such thinking.
They were not successful and He still says that this thinking will work best
I thought you lived in the UK, in which case you would probably about this already. My mistake if you dont.
I’ll list a few, you can google the details yourself if you need to.
From a current case in Birmingham;
The inquiry includes incidents in which it is claimed that excessive force was used against black men who were shot with Tasers, the IOPC said. The inquiry started in April after video emerged of a police officer apparently beating a 15-year-old boy in the Newtown area. The officer was suspended from the West Midlands force after he appeared to knock the boy down with a punch before kicking him.
CCTV footage from the previous day apparently showing the same officer beating a black cyclist. The officer is alleged to be seen dragging the 44-year-old male off his bike before pulling down the man’s protective face mask, a female colleague holding the man down while the male officer appeared to punch the cyclist three times in the back.
27 February in the Handsworth area of Birmingham where Trevalie Wyse, a 30-year-old local black man, had witnessed a car crash. The same officer in the April incidents is seen ordering the man to the ground even though he was a bystander: he was then shot with a stun gun for failing to get down on the floor.
Remember this? Death of Jean Charles de Menezes - Wikipedia
Or if you prefer videos;
The list goes on, and its not just a recent phenomena. Police brutality against striking miners at Orgreave in 1984 left 123 injured and that was just one of many such incidents during the strike.
1961 CND March to Trafalgar Square.
The shooting of Mark Duggan, albeit it declared lawful, led to 5 nights of rioting in Tottenham in 2011where police brutality was shown nightly on television.
Many demonstrations, in London especially, attract small numbers of thugs looking for trouble and these people need dealing with. However, the police see unable to single out the trouble makers and we frequently see on TV images of police assaulting innocent bystanders or those demonstrating peacefully.
All I can say is , thank heavens UK police aren’t armed routinely or we would have a lot more trouble on our streets