Political Opinion

Dennis3450 · August 12, 2019, 5:34pm

Marco Rubio is a A-hole as is anyone else pushing this Russia, Russia, Russia crap, this divide and conquer is coming form the United States not Russia , Russia is the guy on the monitor that everyone screams at in the book and movies of “1984”

There is a very good video on YouTube that will explain exactly what is going on here, I will find it and post a link

cigarmanstan · August 12, 2019, 5:37pm

I’m a Marco guy(he’s one of my Senators) and I’m not sure I disagree with his comments, but,
regardless of Russian trolls firing up the intelligentsia on Twitter, we still need to get to the bottom
of it!
Heck could even be the Russians that did it…a MSNBC commentator said so…

peterma · August 12, 2019, 5:49pm

From politicians?

Dennis3450 · August 12, 2019, 5:55pm

He is one of my Senators too, and I voted for the guy, but he has turned into a deep-state mouth piece and does not speak for the people that voted for him, any way let me find that video and maybe you might see where I am coming from

Dennis3450 · August 12, 2019, 6:01pm

Read the quote below and hopefully, it will motivate you to want to learn more and watch or listen to the 15 min. video below. Only with the knowledge of the content of this video can we have a none partisan conversation of how we are being controlled. Hint, it is not Russia

Falstaff · August 12, 2019, 7:30pm

EXcellent Summary @Dennis3450

There s certainly far more in this stuff than meets the eye !

Just reading that now - but the outside references are highly valuabe - thanks

MrDE · August 12, 2019, 8:52pm

Watch Eyes Wide Shut by stanley kubrick on this topic

Excellent movie

MrDE · August 12, 2019, 8:54pm

If you want to know how modern propaganda works and the fine art of it then read about Joseph Goebbels.

His art of propaganda stood the test of time and ist still commoy used today especially on internet medias.

It will blow your mind.

His favourite practice was “the bigger the lie the more idiots believe in it”

Propaganda - Goebbels’ Principles
Joseph Goebbels
Dr. Joseph Goebbels, beside being an intriguing character, was the Propaganda Minister for Hitler’s Third Reich. He was recognized as a master of propaganda as his work was studied after WWII. Goebbels did not survive to enjoy the recognition; he and his wife committed suicide on 1 May 1945, a week before the final collapse of the Third Reich.

After the war, US personnel discovered a very large diary dictated by Goebbels. In it are his principles of propaganda. Leonard Doob’s 1950 article details them from a translation of the diary by Louis Lochner (1948).

Hitler’s Basic Principles
These principles are abstracted from Jowett & O’Donnell.

Avoid abstract ideas - appeal to the emotions.
Constantly repeat just a few ideas. Use stereotyped phrases.
Give only one side of the argument.
Continuously criticize your opponents.
Pick out one special “enemy” for special vilification.
Goebbels’ Principles of Propaganda
When reading these propaganda principles, keep in mind that they were applied in wartime (WWII) and involve issues that don’t arise otherwise. It’s a long list, but Goebbels was dealing with the complexity of an all-out war. While reading them you may realize that some of the principles are generally applicable and not limited to wartime. Some might be quite familiar today. It is interesting to note that Goebbels’ principles derive from Hitler’s own ideas of propaganda.

Propagandists must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion.
Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.
It must issue all the propaganda directives.
It must explain propaganda directives to important officials and maintain their morale.
It must oversee other agencies’ activities which have propaganda consequences.
The Propaganda consequences of an action must be considered in planning that action.
Propaganda must affect the enemy’s policy and actions.
By suppressing propagandistically desirable material which can provide the enemy with useful intelligence.
By openly disseminating propaganda whose contents or tone causes the enemy to draw the desired conclusions.
By goading the enemy into revealing vital information about himself.
By making no reference to a desired enemy activity when any reference would discredit that activity.
Declassified, operational information must be available to implement a propaganda campaign.
To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting medium.
Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.
The purpose, content, and effectiveness of enemy propaganda; the strength and effects of an expose’; and the nature of current propaganda campaigns determine whether enemy propaganda should be ignored or refuted.
Credibility, intelligence, and the possible effects of communicating determine whether propaganda materials should be censored.
Material from enemy propaganda may be utilized in operations when it helps diminish that enemy’s prestige or lends support to the propagandist’s own objective.
Black rather than white propaganda must be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects.
Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.
Propaganda must be carefully timed.
The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.
A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment.
A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness.
Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
They must evoke responses which the audience previously possesses.
They must be capable of being easily learned.
They must be utilized again and again, but only in appropriate situations.
They must be boomerang-proof.
Propaganda to the home front must prevent the raising of false hopes which can be blasted by future events.
Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.
Propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequences of defeat.
Propaganda must diminish anxiety (other than that concerning the consequences of defeat) which is too high and cannot be reduced by people themselves.
Propaganda to the home front must diminish the impact of frustration.
Inevitable frustrations must be anticipated.
Inevitable frustrations must be placed in perspective.
Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.
Propaganda cannot immediately affect strong counter-tendencies; instead it must offer some form of action or diversion, or both.
These would be principles guiding the conduct of propaganda operations.

References
Goebbels’ Principles of Propaganda, Leonard W. Doob, Public Opinion Quarterly, Fall 1950 pp. 419-442
Propagation and Persuasion; Jowett & O’Donnell

Dennis3450 · August 12, 2019, 9:08pm

you mean like Flat Earth or the Moon Landing never happen or we are all going to die in 10 years from global worming.

I don’t think we need to go to last century Germany to understand what is being used against us in the US today, but you are correct that history has many examples of this tactic being used and the people fall for it every time

MrDE · August 12, 2019, 9:12pm

I wouldnt include global warming in this list as it is a science. Science is either true or false.

I mean things like (what you said) moon landing, flat earth.

Then things like 911 inside job - holocaust has never happened - aliens running all governments

Then less known ones like “Plunge protection team”

Etc. There is an infinite amount of examples

Falstaff · August 12, 2019, 11:03pm

Bernays was apparently quite distressed when he learned the Nazis were using his writings as a blueprint.

MrDE · August 12, 2019, 11:22pm

Yes i remember. The nazis sold tooth paste way better than him while he was working for procter and gamble.

Falstaff · August 13, 2019, 7:42am

Why would that be ? One wonders.

We see many, many examples even on these boards and we see some fighting back. Often being attacked quite viciously for their modest ventures into critical thinking - but that of course “Goes with the territory” !

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When our children are being taught and examined upon the horrors of “Male Toxicity” - We are indeed going down a dangerous path !

As individuals, we all know this as a self evident truth, yet so regimented are we as a crowd, that only a very few muster the courage to speak out - Even when they know full well it is their own sons and daughters being harmed.

Dennis3450 · August 13, 2019, 3:50pm

“Academy of Ideas” is an awesome YouTube channel, from ancient Greek philosophy to modern psychology , his essays really hit home on what is driving the chaos of our society

This one on Carl Jung work is my favorite

alphahavoc · August 13, 2019, 3:58pm

Recognize that we are all both good and bad, for that’s what makes us human.

I think it is important that everyone find their own proper avenue for unwinding the daily stresses of life, so as to regain stability of mind and in turn we will be able to make sound choices and trade safely. A person under the heat simply can’t trade well.

Clint · August 14, 2019, 6:38am

Five libtards, including Richard Blumenthal (the lying Senator from Connecticut),
are threatening the Supreme Court of the United States with “restructuring”
(that’s code for “packing the court”), if the Court doesn’t “heal” its conservative tendencies.

Blumenthal — who may or may not be the ring-leader of this little cadre of whacked-out Democrats —
is a real piece of work. Before he was outed by the New York Times for his lies, he was fond of claiming heroic service in the Vietnam War — claims which earned him the nickname Da Nang D!ck.

Back in February, President Trump tweeted this —

Donald J. Trump
“I have now spent more time in Vietnam than Da Nang D!ck Blumenthal, the third rate Senator from Connecticut (how is Connecticut doing?). His war stories of his heroism in Vietnam were a total fraud - he was never even there. We talked about it today with Vietnamese leaders!”

Hey, Da Nang D!ck, here’s an idea —

Instead of your libtard suggeston to “restructure” the Supreme Court, how 'bout we “restructure” the Senate — by throwing you out of it?

That simple “restructuring” would make the Senate a much better place.

cigarmanstan · August 14, 2019, 11:29am

This is just payback for all those 30+ years that the Court was “liberal” and all the
Conservative’s were clamoring all the time to restructure the SCOTUS.
Wait…

CarlosRay · August 14, 2019, 2:08pm

Dow falling on US recession fears.

Dennis3450 · August 14, 2019, 2:47pm

What these " libtards" are really saying is they are too cowardly to do their jobs and pass laws that might not be popular in the short term, they would rather the Supreme Court legislate from the bench.

Instead of holding the SCOTUS hostage over say abortion rights, The Democrat party could show real leadership and start the process of Amending the Constitution to make abortion a right. But instead they use it as a wedge issue every election and a litmus test for any Justice seeking confirmation

What the Democrats are doing is showing their hand of what type of America they want to see ( 1984 )

Dennis3450 · August 14, 2019, 2:50pm

if you believe this then buy gold