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Blaming the right people for the wrong the wrong people did…sigh

Look, if you just research history by political party, you’ll see that evil has been battling good forever. It’s Republicans who fought the South and proclaimed slaves to be freed, not Democrats. It’s Republicans who forced a Democrat president, LBJ, to sign the Civil Rights Act. It’s the Democrats who did the Fed income tax, started the Fed bank, and changed the way Senators were voted in, all in the 1913-1917 era, President Woodraw Wilson who played a KKK movie at the Whitehouse. It’s Democrats who have been racist for over a century, who when forced to pass civil rights act, then moved to place “minorities” back into their plantations with the so-called “War on Poverty”, which has spent $15 trillion dollars in the last 50 years, and the percentage of very poor has increased, not decreased, even though this year’s budget spends so much on welfare, if the just gave the cash to the population who make $20k and under, it would be $60k a family!!!
Sadly, this means our deficit comes to about $58,000 for every family, and the average income is $53,000. Talk about point of no return.
Now, to answer you other question about paying a little more for everybody to have health insurance-you’re showing your ignorance. I currently work for a very large health insurance company, with extremely large employer groups, the biggest in the US. I know how much it’s increasing every year, and how unsustainable it is, how much people’s deductables are rising, premiums throught the roof, how big a failure Obamacare really is, how now senators who framed the law are warning of a “train wreck.” the Gov’t is so far behind making rules for the exchanges, they’ll probably fail to open this year. So when you say “if it would cover everybody”, the answer is NO, it won’t cover everybody. Look at how bad medicaid is dragging down state’s budgets, TX is going to cut medicaid just to stay afloat. It’s not sustainable, it won’t work. It was an idea, but it proved to fail, yet libs are clamouring for more.
I believe freedom is something liberals have backwards.

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[QUOTE=“konan;484367”]

Legalize drugs and tax them, reduce military industrial complex to keep up with the times of no equal opposing force to the US…All I’m saying is, if you want your welfare check you have to see a psychologist first who will evaluate if you’re angry enough, because of this dis in life( losing a job), to want to hurt innocent people…People desperately need professionals to talk with about their problems, their bottled anger and etc…[/QUOTE]

Welfare should not be a federal issue, if anything it should be a state issue.

I’m sick of seeing tax money go into thing like Pell Grants for people getting worthless degrees in basket weaving and sociology, which then helps drive up tuition costs and people need more money to pay for college… Or they just drop out and use the money to buy drugs, video games, etc…

None of my money should be going to federal programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamafail, EPA, ATF, etc…

If these things are deemed necessary, states can fill the role, or they can amend the constitution for each of these programs.

Me, personally, I would move to a state with minimal taxes and social programs where entrepreneurship and innovation can thrive.

If you don’t like that, I’m sure there are states that would be more liberal and would accommodate you.

I agree with you on legalizing drugs and reducing the military, however that wouldn’t be near enough to fund our entitlement liabilities.

Also I think the military, unlike welfare and entitlements, is actually legal. However there is no legitimate reason for us to be spending countless dollars on unwinable wars and military bases everywhere.

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Here’s to political correctness…just a few miles away from where I grew up :smiley:


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Obviously I disagree with your whole post. But I’d just written a response to Pipcompounder and accidently deleted it when I saw your post. Most of it is stuff that is the typical liberal versus conservative thing, and it’s fun for us to banter back and forth about it. But do you really want to label Sociology as “worthless.” Do you have any idea how offensive that is? I don’t hold a Sociology degree, but if you look up what it is, you might want to change your post. If not, I’d challenge you to explain why you think Sociology is such a “worthless” endevour.

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[QUOTE=“Hogarste;484619”]

Obviously I disagree with your whole post. But I’d just written a response to Pipcompounder and accidently deleted it when I saw your post. Most of it is stuff that is the typical liberal versus conservative thing, and it’s fun for us to banter back and forth about it. But do you really want to label Sociology as “worthless.” Do you have any idea how offensive that is? I don’t hold a Sociology degree, but if you look up what it is, you might want to change your post. If not, I’d challenge you to explain why you think Sociology is such a “worthless” endevour.[/QUOTE]

Lol… I know a barista at Starbucks who has a Sociology degree. Makes a dang good caramel macchiato.

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[QUOTE=“Hogarste;484619”]

Obviously I disagree with your whole post. But I’d just written a response to Pipcompounder and accidently deleted it when I saw your post. Most of it is stuff that is the typical liberal versus conservative thing, and it’s fun for us to banter back and forth about it. But do you really want to label Sociology as “worthless.” Do you have any idea how offensive that is? I don’t hold a Sociology degree, but if you look up what it is, you might want to change your post. If not, I’d challenge you to explain why you think Sociology is such a “worthless” endevour.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I do think its a worthless degree if you are trying to get a decent job. If you’re not getting a degree to better your ability to be employed then you sure as hell shouldn’t be taking my money to pay for it.

If you want a sociology degree or any degree for that matter, don’t loot my pockets. Pay for it yourself. If the government didn’t guarantee student loans and give out so much money for college, college tuitions wouldn’t cost so much.

Now anybody can get a loan, anybody can get Pell Grants and because of the easy money, tuition prices have soared in the same manner that housing prices soared when the government was blowing up that bubble… And now it appears they are trying to blow it up again.

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[QUOTE=“pipcompounder;484618”]Here’s to political correctness…just a few miles away from where I grew up :smiley:

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I love how some people get so offended by that and totally miss the point.

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Get whatever degree you want, I don’t care, but pay for it yourself.

I agree the US has slid into partial socialism, especially more recently. The 100 year progressive liberal strategy is working quite well, to my chargrin. There is now no place on Earth that truely has abosolute free market system. Forex and other trading is about as close as it gets besides bartering with the neighbors.

Let’s take healthcare for example…Dr. Carson, who is a huge hero, (look him up), stated the obvious free-market solution, which I’ll explain a bit here…Everybody just wants to go see their Dr. and receive that care-that’s it!
Why can’t people just walk in and pay cash for service, like any other? Because it has BECOME cost-prohibitive BY DESIGN!
When you see your Dr, you are paying for enormous taxes they have to pay, enormous malpractice insurance they have to pay, and their employees\billing company’s fees\wages. Third parties always increase costs-always! The solution, which will never, never happen, is just go back to cash for service, stop suing dr.s for more money than they’re worth for malpractice, pay your bills (including hospital), go when you really need a Dr. (They can’t do anything for your cold-take tylenol and go to sleep!). Save your money in an account in advance for emergencies. There is a few things Dr’s can do on their side to streamline treating patients, too, to save money, but I’m just showing what patients can do.

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Seems like the Greeks didn’t get to "redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor " because the rich and the middle class got away with reporting less income by almost 2 times less than they were actually grossing. Amounting to some 32 billion of shrinking of the tax base in 2009 alone. Washington Post article:
How Greek tax evasion helped sink the global economy

Three or four articles I that I have read already and not one mentioned “Greek government competing with businesses” issue that you are going on and on about… You betta provide,son, or I’m calling BS on that too!..lol

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[QUOTE=“konan;484641”]
Seems like the Greeks didn’t get to "redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor " because the rich and the middle class got away with reporting less income by almost 2 times less than they were actually grossing. Amounting to some 32 billion of shrinking of the tax base in 2009 alone. Washington Post article:
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So you are saying that because the rich are resisting having their income stripped and re-distributed that must mean that it’s not the Greek governments intention to do so…? That’s pretty flawed logic…

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No, iI’m saying that you have all these made up scenarios in your head and your critical thinking is all screwed up because of it.

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[QUOTE=“konan;484652”]

No, iI’m saying that you have all these made up scenarios in your head and your critical thinking is all screwed up because of it.[/QUOTE]

So you aren’t even arguing my point then … Lol

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I’m arguing the point now that you are someone with no factual credibility, rendering most of your arguments highly questionable from the getgo.

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[QUOTE=“konan;484659”]

I’m arguing the point now that you are someone with no factual credibility, rendering most of your arguments highly questionable from the getgo.[/QUOTE]

Lol of course you would have that opinion… Same opinion that I have of you. :wink:

Since you can’t even argue the point, I’ll take it as you begrudgingly agreeing.

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My wife is in charge of HR at her company, and agrees with you to the extent that Obamacare has not been implemented in a way that it solves what it was intended to. My initial point was that I dont mind paying more in taxes, if it helps others without means to be able to have health insurance and eduation. I think both of these things are basic rights in an evolved society, regardless of ones ability to pay for them. That does not mean that I think Obamacare is a huge success. Would you agree with a ‘single payer health care’ system where individual contributions are based on ones ability to pay for them.

When you say that “you’ll see that evil has been battling good forever.” Are you of the opnion that the US represents good in the world, and countries that oppose us are evil? I ask this, because good and evil relate to actions more than people, except in extreme cases like Hitler, etc. Most people just want the chance to live and see their kids have better lives then they did. Even people in same gender relationships, when you meet them and talk to them, just want to be able to have the same rights as others and enjoy life. Same with people of every religion. I meet people who are from other countries / religions a lot, and nearly all of these folks just want the basics from life. I’m fairly certain there is no grand liberal consiracy.

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[QUOTE=“Hogarste;484662”]
When you say that “you’ll see that evil has been battling good forever.” Are you of the opnion that the US represents good in the world, and countries that oppose us are evil?.[/QUOTE]

He was referring to the Republican Party vs the Democratic Party …

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All you got to do now is actually present the counter arguments and credible corroborating sources (like I have), to negate my facts - for this to be a wash…Btw, your imaginary intent of the Greek Government to supposedly do something “socialist to the rich folks” played absolutely no role in the actual Greek sovereign debt crisis!

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[QUOTE=“konan;484674”]

All you got to do now is actually present the counter arguments and credible corroborating sources (like I have), to negate my facts - for this to be a wash…Btw, your imaginary intent of the Greek Government to supposedly do something “socialist to the rich folks” played absolutely no role in the actual Greek sovereign debt crisis![/QUOTE]

You aren’t even arguing that the Greek government is re-distributing wealth… All you said was that the wealthy are resisting by evading on taxes… I agree that they are resisting paying the high taxes, and apparently you agree their government is re-distributing the wealth… Hence there is nothing for me to counter argue.

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You’re actually missing the whole cause and effect to the crisis in Greece by trying to pass imaginary scenarios as actual documented history . (for everyone to see and fact check you btw)

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[QUOTE=“konan;484679”]
You’re actually missing the whole cause and effect to the crisis in Greece by trying to pass imaginary scenarios as actual documented history .[/QUOTE]

I never said what the cause of the Greece crisis was… Who is imagining things now?