You implied “socialism”…
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I said Greece operates on principles of socialism…
You still won’t admit that its government is re-distributing wealth… Yet refuse to argue the point either.
Who wrote this btw?
Ok, so I don’t agree that paying more taxes helps those “without means” for anything. First, the scale has been tipped to the point where we don’t have enough money to help those “without means” even if we took everyone’s money who has any-100% confiscation. The second point is those “without means” must take personal responsibility to see why they don’t have money, get a job, pay their bills, don’t buy things they can’t afford-the same thing every single other american has a choice to do. If they truly are invalid-basically completely unable to do anything at all to earn money-than there are plenty of individuals who want to help them-and they will do such a better job than the gov’t. Really, this is the church’s role. And sadly, the “church” has declined, too, and left this to the gov’t. And the gov’t is enormously corrupt. America is not the gov’t and vice-versa. America is the land of the free, the home of the brave.
The only rights we’ll be able to agree on are in the declaration of indpendence and the bill of rights. Everything else is just going to be a shouting match, because there are no other rights, certainly not to anything free.
I do not agree with single payor healthcare. All you have to do is look at Britain’s healthcare, and Medicare. (GEEZ, THE CALLS I GET ABOUT MEDICARE-THOSE PEOPLE ARE SO UPSET AT WHAT MEDICARE TURNS OUT TO BE. IT’S A FARCE, A PONZI SCHEME!) Medicare just keeps cutting payments to Dr’s, the number of services covered, and jacking up the premiums. And some people believe the lie that it cuts paperwork down…are you kidding? It’s a nightmare. But obamacare was passed only to put private health insurance companies out of business (that’s why it’s a trainwreck, so they can blame private companies, just like they blame them for all the other problems they cause). This will play out just like the housing bubble.
I am of the opinion that within the US itself, good has been fighting evil. Slavery vs. Freedom is a good example. I think the US used to be a beacon of liberty and general good in the past, but is being taken over from within by corruption, which it has been paralleled to the fall of the Roman Empire, true, but America was not founded that way, it has drifted from the original vision.
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I did… A beautiful post btw… Is there something in there you wish to point out as inaccurate?
We’ve been over this already…No more “re-distributing wealth” than any western democracy. Only difference is, this one is a corrupt democracy. with a Capitalist economy non the less.
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We’ve been over this already…No more “re-distributing wealth” than any western democracy. Only difference is, this one is a corrupt democracy. Capitalist democracy non the less.[/QUOTE]
Ha… Got a begrudging agreement… I’ll take it.
It maybe a democracy… But it’s operating on principles of socialism… Has been for years, even having official Socialist political parties throughout the years.
Here’s a good example of the good vs. evil I was talking about. Good won here. And, you’ll see what happens to someone who doesn’t “have the means.”
[U]The government came in with some SERIOUS social programs which handed out money to many, many Greeks who did not work for it… I could give you a pretty lengthy list of social programs that fit the bill of “principles of socialism” [/U]… [U]And now the hard working people of Europe (mainly Germany) are footing the bill for lifestyle choices of the Greeks…[/U]
[U]So we have a government supporting a large majority of its citizens… Through social benefit programs… and taking the money to support them from hard working people… This is the very essence of socialism[/U]
Only the underscored parts are erroneous and exaggerated, especially if they’re meant to portray the cause of the debt crisis itself.
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Only the underscored parts are erroneous and exaggerated, especially if they’re meant to portray the cause of the debt crisis itself.[/QUOTE]
They are statements… If you want to go through and show why you think they are inaccurate that’s fine… Otherwise underscore away.
I felt badly for this kid to some degree when I read the story, though if it were up to me, every person wanting to own a gun would require a background check, and need to be liscensed.
I almost responded by posting the story of a poor woman who lost her job as a teacher at a religious school in Ohio, because the school did not like her orientation, and the poor woman just wants to teach kids. In my view her losing her job just for being who she is, is just as evil.
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I almost responded by posting the story of a poor woman who lost her job as a teacher at a religious school in Ohio, because the school did not like her orientation, and the poor woman just wants to teach kids. In my view her losing her job just for being who she is, is just as evil.
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Not even close… The school is a religious school and has a right to have teachers that adhere to the belief system of the religion. The religious school is a private business and should be able to hire employees that fit the culture of the business…
She can teach kids at any other school…
Dude, she’s not teaching them how to be of her orientation. You’re saying that because the school is a private school that they should be able to do what they want right. But should’nt people be protected from losing their jobs for certain reasons such as orientation? What if she had a disability, or converted to Islam, but was still very committed to her job? Should a private school be able to fire any one for any reason.
[QUOTE=“Hogarste;484716”]Dude, she’s not teaching them how to be of her orientation. You’re saying that because the school is a private school that they should be able to do what they want right. But should’nt people be protected from losing their jobs for certain reasons such as orientation? What if she had a disability, or converted to Islam, but was still very committed to her job? Should a private school be able to fire any one for any reason.
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Does a church have the right to choose who they hire as their pastor based on the candidates personal adherence to the belief system of that church…?
I regard the bill of rights, particularly the 2nd amendment. It wasn’t accidently slipped in there. People weren’t ignorant about guns back then, everyone had one. The 2nd amendment includes the phrase “shall not be infringed”. That means no modification allowed. That means we already have too many unconstitutional laws about guns and gun ownership. The key word in gun control is “CONTROL.” That’s what libs are all about: control. And it’s impossible and unlawful. We already have background checks needed before firearm purchase, and a license just means the guns can be taken away, again, unconstitutionally.
Now this will, undoubtedly, raise the question: "what about felons, etc?"
In my opinion felony should be life in prison. period. You do something felon-level, and you lose it all forever.
And the death penalty, you murder, you die. period. The bill of rights includes parts about cruel and unusual punishment. Look at what was considered normal in 1780. That’s why they didn’t have societal problems we have these days.
Fear of death, or life imprisonment will deter, just like nuclear force will deter, as a preventative measure. The rule of law these days is incredibly corrupt. If they would just enforce the law already on the books! But the political agenda to undo America, to blast it’s greatness apart is well into motion, far along.
They have that in China…They then execute prisoners with AK-47 bullets to the back. You’d like to watch that ,wouldn’t you?!
You guys are actually so far to the right that you would put Stalin to shame
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Stalin was very pro gun control actually… Matter of fact so was Hitler and Mussolini.
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Stalin was very pro gun control actually… Matter of fact so was Hitler and Mussolini.[/QUOTE]
Here’s a quote from Hitler…
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty”
All three wore socks too…