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Now you know — during the one-month period December 2011 to January 2012, the number of people actually employed in the civilian workforce of this country declined by 737,000 (from 140,681,000 to 139,944,000).

The rest of that table contains statistical wizardry intended to make the results fit the Obama template. Ignore it. Especially, ignore the reported unemployment rate.

Okay I also have to comment on this. I hope it is just a regurgitated argument, because we need your stat analysis skills to stay strong! There is a reason that the data is seasonally adjusted. What happens in that period between Thanksgiving and Christmas? A LOT OF SHOPPING. What do retailers do during that timeframe? HIRE A **** TON OF SEASONAL HELP. What happens when December ends? THOSE SHORT TERM EMPLOYEES AREN’T NEEDED ANYMORE. Just as in the Summer you have more college and high school kids working, the Holiday season gets a seasonal workforce bump. People during this time find jobs that are advertised as seasonal. That’s why when you look at the seasonally adjusted numbers, you get less of a crazy reading.

Here is a wasted vote… Still Voting For ‘Mitt Romney’? - YouTube

I honestly can’t think of a worse candidate for this party. I suppose we are trying to lose now… And yes we will lose. We either lose to obama or we lose our credability as conservaties. You can’t possibly win with somebody who lies about EVERYTHING.

Mind you I don’t buy into that rachel maddow crap about him being a corporate raider and what not. I have NO problem with his private sector track record, I have countless issues with his Political track record.

This is how we have shifted so far left as a nation. We keep appointing liberal Republicans so the Liberal Democrats move even further to the fringes and we start accepting it.

Shifted so far left…? Please take a trip to Europe to recalibrate your spectroscope. Unions are fading, not growing. The EPA has been weakened in the past decade, Glass-Steagall was weakened to allow superbanks, Middle class has shrunk not grown, lobbying has grown (in a Socialist country you wouldn’t have lobbyists of course), the past 3 Democratic Presidents have been regarded as pretty centric, that goes back to the 1970s…

Now I wasn’t a Bush fan, but if someone told me in 2000 that it would be the destruction of the United States, for one it would be kinda silly, but by 2003 I would have realized that it wasn’t going to be true. Yea Obama is a let down for liberals who thought he was going to reverse some of the stuff people didn’t like about the previous admin, like the Patriot Act and the wars, and the influence of money in Washington… but of course, we know that doesn’t work so easily. We should know that every election, GOP candidates included.

I caucused locally with the GOP this year, having some fun on the Ron Paul train. I probably agree with 50% of his stuff, but also don’t agree on eliminating quite the same number of govt departments. I was there because I wanted to have the best option on the ballot. Look, Romney would be an ok president, he has the leadership qualities. The real problem is just how difficult it is these days to not be able to comprehend each complicated avenue of the job. The world has advanced so much in just 10, 20 years. You have to be able to trust those in the respective positions like the cabinet, and your generals, to be able to manage their areas. There isn’t enough time in the day for a President to comprehend and make the best decisions during 2 ground wars, a global intelligence war, a global economic crisis, and a domestic economic crisis. That doesn’t even take into account how high maintenance dealing with congress is. I don’t mind as much if government gets bigger or smaller, as long as they are able to come up with a good solution.

Clint I dont think I have ever disagreed with you untill now. I will vote for Paul (if he is running). Is it a wasted vote? Probably but I will tell you a even more wasted vote is to vote for someone you do not trust and do not have faith in. I will not vote for the lesser of 2 eveils. Is that unpatriotic? Not on your life. As an American we are sworn to protect and serve this country from eveils both foreign and domestic. So if I dont believe the guy front running can up hold his duty HE WILL NEVER EVER EVER get my vote EVER. I will pray god makes things right but my name will not be tied to them. In God we trust all others pay cash well that goes both ways and I am willing to accept that not agree with it but accept it and try to do my part to change it. But voting for a guy that had the best advertisement on TV because they all suck but no one (most of the population) will do there homework just walk in and vote for the guy that they herd about the most. How is that serving your country? Your better off tossing your vote in the trash can.

Just my opinion of your comment not you personally. Your a stand up guy no doubt about it.

America has shifted far left. Look at how militant we are now. We have over 700 military bases in over 130 countries. We just bombed the hell out of Libya without approval from congress… That’s a Constitutional violation… And he even was doing it for over 90 days, which violates the worthless War Powers Act. Even the Republicans who tout small government are now supportive of almost all military interventions ever since Bush and the Neocons tainted Conservatism with their unconstitutional BS. Conservatives used to only support war if we were attacked. I suppose that changed after Bush Senior… Think about it… Who got us into WW1? Woodrow Wilson… WW1 caused WW2. Had we not have shifted the balance of the war, it would have ended in a stalemate, but instead the allies won an Germany had to bear the full costs of the war, destroying the Germany economy and providing the ripe conditions for hitler to take power… (BLOWBACK)

Who got us into WW2 and nuked Japan? Liberals. Who started the Korean war without approval from congress? Liberals. Who started Vietnam? Liberals. Which president put sanctions on Iraq that killed over 1 million Iraqis? Who launched cruise missiles into Iraq, Yemen an Afghanistan prior to 9/11? Liberals… I suppose I could say liberals started Operation Iraq “Freedom” because bush was a Liberal too even though he was labeled a Republican.

The EPA are fining a family in Idaho $30,000 every day because the land that they build their home on flooded and it is now considered a “wetland”… The family couldn’t even fight the $30,000 DAILY FINE in court… They had to take it to the supreme court. The EPA is way out of control. There shouldn’t even be an EPA. Property rights should be enough to stop pollution. If a company or individual is actually polluting your land, take them to court. One family had their home taken away from them by the EPA because a state drainage ditch clogged with logs. The state didn’t have the means to unclog it so the husband unclogged it with his bobcat… He, of course, was responsible for “disturbing a wetlands” and the military arm of the EPA raided his home and took it from him and his family…

I love how you are inciting that the middle class shrinking is a result of conservative policies. That’s laughable. The middle class shrinks when the value of their dollars are eroded by inflation… That’s liberal… And now even “Conservatives” are “all Keynesians now” - Richard Nixon.

Haha, so you think socialism would be beneficial huh? No, their wouldn’t be lobbyists because the corporations would already be in bed with the government. Socialism is a transitional form of government. It inevitably turn into an oligarchy.

I’m not even going to begin arguing about how incoherent the economics of socialism are…

I hope the coming popping of the bond bubble and the economic collapse that will follow it will provide a nice reset button for this country and bring us back to a true free market and liberty oriented country. What we have now is a big ponzi scheme.

I just pray that people like you wont be begging for socialism, more regulations and more government power after the economy tanks, like the Germans did after WW1…

The BBC are reporting this morning that following the Texas Primary Romney has the nomination, so is now the confirmed Republican candidate to face off against Obama. Is this accurate? Or is there another hurdle to go through?

The BBC are reporting this morning that following the Texas Primary Romney has the nomination, so is now the confirmed Republican candidate to face off against Obama. Is this accurate? Or is there another hurdle to go through?

For all intents and purposes yes he will be the nominee. There is a convention around August where the “official” nomination is made. I feel pretty safe saying that no one has ever not been the nominee after getting enough primary delegates.

SolveFOREX - I think this statement at the end of your post sums up the core of where you are coming from on this issue. You trust government and believe that it is capable of coming up with good solutions. To me this appears to be naive at best.

Government is coming up with good solutions all the time and just about every time. The problem (for me at least) is that their solutions are good for them, never for me and my fellow citizens.

There is a conflict of interest between government and the free market which is us, the citizens. Government is feasting off of the capital of the free market. The capital that we work for our entire productive lives. Government is competing with the free market for capital. The more it takes out the less there is left to go around in the free market to start new businesses and fund existing ones. That is why when taxes go high the economy goes low. It is that simple. Besides capital there is the competition for power. The more power the free market has the less power is in the government and the more power the government has the more powerless the free market and us, the citizens, become. The more power a government has, the better its ability to create rules that will funnel even more money their way. This can be through taxes and fees or more regulations that will require more government jobs, or rules that when broken will be penalized by fines, therefore bringing in even more money to the government.

That is the way it has been from ancient times and it is what brought the founding fathers of the USA to formulate a constitution in an effort to restrain government. It did not work too well in my opinion as is evident today by the test of time but I think it worked better than it did for the rest of the world, at least until 2008.

For you to believe that government can come up with good solutions is self destructive unless you are a politician or a government employee. And if you are, I don’t know what interest you have in trading forex. You don’t have to. I already do so I can pay for your retirement.

Not often but once in a while the government gets it right. On the “TheStreet’s 100 Events That Changed Business (1900-2000)” the number one top of the list event was born in Washington, 100% paid with taxpayer dollars and build to standards set by the Government. That event is creation of The Interstate Highway System.

100 Events That Changed Business: 1900-2000 - TheStreet

Here is a cut & paste from “TheStreet’s” web article.

"[B]1. Eisenhower creates the interstates: June 29, 1956.[/B]

[I]Gas is cheap in America, and it’s cheap for a reason.

The freedom to move thousands of miles to find a better job or start a new company. The chance to create products for a single vast market, with a single currency, a single language, a single set of laws. As Americans, we take those opportunities for granted. But together, they give the U.S. economy a resilience that Europe and Japan have been unable to match.

For 200 years, America’s uncanny ability to reinvent itself, from agrarian nation to industrial powerhouse to leader in technology and medicine, has done more to keep U.S. business vibrant than anything else. And more than any other event in this century, the building of the interstate highway system has enabled that reinvention to continue. The new highways diminish railroads, fertilize the suburbs and cement the elevation of the automobile, with its attendant anonymity and individualism, to the center of American culture and business.

Conceived by President Dwight D. Eisenhower as he rode over the German autobahns as supreme allied commander at the end of World War II, signed into law on June 29, 1956 and built over four decades at a cost of $130 billion, the interstates bind us together even as they free us to move and dream. The frontier hasn’t closed; it runs everywhere now, on those quiet, essential lanes of blacktop.

And so in a century filled with big inventions, flashy takeover battles, and fortunes made and lost, the creation of the interstate highway system tops our list as the most important business event of the American century."[/I]

d-pip, this is powerful and I agree with the merit in your post. I think that the combination of your post with mine is a sad reflection on an erosion of trust that we experienced over the years going through LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Bush H, Clinton, Bush W and now, Community Organizer extraordinaire. Sad indeed.

Hi Clint!

Just found this thread so I haven’t read it through. Therefore apologies if my question has already been asked.

Not withstanding your political views, do you think that Mitt Romney really has a chance of beating a sitting president? This is notoriously difficult as I understand it and add to that the enormous campaign money machine Obama has built over the last years.

I know you want him out, but feelings aside - do you think Romney will beat him?

Hello, Magnus

It’s been a long time since we’ve chatted. I’m glad that you found this thread.

Regarding your questions —

I don’t think anyone would dispute the fact that he has a chance.

[B]Short answer:[/B]

Yes. And that’s not my political preference speaking. That’s how I would bet, as a gambling man.

[B]Long answer:[/B]

There is seething discontent in this country over the inept mishandling of the mess that Obama inherited. This country will no longer tolerate Obama’s excuse that this all got started in the Bush years, and none of it is his fault. He has had 3½ years to get a viable recovery started — and his results are dismal. And that’s [I]assuming[/I] that Obama is really trying to restore and rebuild American economic strength. In other words, that’s giving Obama the benefit of some very serious doubts.

But, not everyone gives him the benefit of the doubt. There is a vocal (and growing) minority in this country who believe that Obama’s ideology and agenda are antithetical to what most Americans consider to be social and economic progress.

And I am part of that minority. I do not believe that Obama has tried — and failed — to return this country to prosperity. Rather, I believe that Obama has tried — [I]and, to a frightening degree, succeeded[/I] — in warping the path of this country into something entirely un-American. More on that topic in a future post, if you’re interested.

The majority of Americans, who see Obama as a sort of black Jimmy Carter — inept — in way over his head — but with his heart in the right place — will reject him. They will vote for a man who can lead, a man who can manage, a man who knows how to be chief executive. They will vote for Mitt Romney.

Those of us who see Obama as something much more sinister, would vote for [I]any[/I] alternative to Obama. As I wrote somewhere else in this thread, if the choice were between a cardboard cut-out of Abraham Lincoln, or Obama, we would vote for the cardboard cut-out.

Fortunately, we have a much better alternative than just [I]Not-Obama.[/I] We have a positive choice in Mitt Romney — a man with proven executive ability in both business and government, who can beat Obama, and then begin the task of undoing the damage that Obama has done.


On the topic of un-seating a sitting president, I jotted down some modern stats which you might find interesting.

Starting with Truman, our 33rd president, there have been 12 presidents, up to and including Obama (our 44th president): Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush (41), Clinton, Bush (43) and Obama.

Of those 12 presidents, 4 have been one-term presidents: Truman, Johnson, Carter and Bush (41). Truman and Johnson are somewhat special cases, because they each finished out the term of a deceased predecesor, but then achieved only a single elected term of their own. Johnson was a special case in another way, as well; he voluntarily chose not to seek a second (elected) term, although he was eligible to do so. The Viet Nam War had made Johnson the most hated president of his time, and he saw the handwriting on the wall.

Not included in this count are two other special cases: Kennedy, whose only term was cut short by assassination; and Ford, who finished out the second term of Richard Nixon (after Nixon resigned), but subsequently failed to win election on his own.

Here’s another way to look at the stats: of the 12 presidents since Truman, only 4 have started [I]and completed[/I] two full terms: Eisenhower, Reagan, Clinton and Bush (43).

So, out of 12 presidents, 4 were one-term presidents, 4 were “normal” two-term presidents, and 4 were special cases.

There’s no doubt that a [I]popular[/I] sitting president has some powerful advantages over a [I]popular[/I] challenger, all other things being equal (which they seldom are). But, even in that idealized scenario, hanging on for a second term is, by no means, a slam-dunk for a sitting president.


Obama is facing a formidable challenge, and he is absolutely beat-able.

Romney’s greatest strength, going into the November election, will be the fact that more than half the country wants to be rid of Obama. Romney’s message is getting out (despite massive attempts at distraction by the Obama Regime), and people are flocking to him. People who once saw Romney as the Anybody-But-Obama candidate, are now embracing the guy as a solid choice for getting this country back on track.

And Romney has essentially neutralized Obama’s money-advantage. Many months ago, the conventional wisdom was that Obama would have a political war-chest of a billion dollars, and his challenger was likely to have, maybe, one-quarter of that amount. Now, it appears that Obama will fall way short of that billion, and it appears that Romney will match him, almost dollar-for-dollar.

Romney is wealthy; but the obscene amounts of money that slosh through politics nowadays are far beyond even Romney’s ability to self-finance. However, he has some very-deep-pocket donors who are determined to see to it that Obama is not able to [I]buy[/I] a second term. The shadowy business of campaign finance is a topic for another time. But, for now, it looks like the Romney campaign will not have any money problems.


This has turned into a wall of text. Sorry about that.

You obviously hit [I]several[/I] of my hot-buttons. See what you’ve done?


I’m happy to have hit those buttons Clint as your response was very interesting.

We often do not entirely agree in political discussions, but I find myself agreeing with most of your points this time. So, it appears that we’re in for a closer run than I had previously expected.

When the line-up of republican candidates came up my initial thought was that the big names would wait for 2018 when there’s no sitting president to fight. Now it seems that those republicans, if any, who had that plan may find themselves sidestepped by Romney.

I will disagree with you on one thing however, I do believe that Obama is more black Jimmy Carter with a good heart and good intentions than something more sinister.

Our multi-party system and with no president makes for less dramatic elections in Sweden, both for good and for worse. I’ll enjoy watching the campaigns as they start to gear up come fall 2012.

o990l6mh - like you said it is your belief, however, there has been a lot of discussion going on in the US about whether Obama is well intended and just wrong in his methods, or whether he is ill intended and deliberately destructive in his methods. Like Clint, I believe the latter is correct. It is no secrete that Obama was raised by Marxists, educated by Marxists, leaned towards Marxists companion [self proclaimed in his book], worked among them in his career prior to politics, and now, rules like a Marxist. He has a deep resentment towards the successful and the capitalistic system and has a burning desire to limit their power and bring them down to the level of the underachievers who cannot or will not make it on their own or remain mediocre at best. This is why he is so dedicated to the distribution of wealth, the taking from those who produce to those who don’t. Class warfare has been in his arsenal since his 2008 campaign and all through his time in office and now comes out with flairs in his 2012 campaign. It is an underlying theme of almost every campaign speech he made recently.

The US became successful and prosperous because of capitalism and hard working, risk taking entrepreneurs. Obama has a proven hatred and resentment towards what the US stands for and he has been working tirelessly to CHANGE it, in the words of his own 2008 campaign. Those who believe like him, will proclaim that he has a good heart and is well intent because they are desiring the same thing that he does. For the rest of us, this is a deliberate destruction of our country.

Well, you talk about proven things - show me the proof I say :wink:

I agree capitalism is good, but you just have to look to Russia and it’s Oligarchs to see that capitalism left entirely to oversee itself quickly goes overboard.

As usual, the trick is finding the right balance. Where that balance is seems to be the frontline question between Obama and his opponents.

2os,

For god sakes read a book and learn some history, Obama is a Democrat and governs the way Democrat Presidents have governed since 1932.

Read the chapters about Democrat FDR and LBJ, compared to these past Democrat Presidents Obama looks like an “extreme conservative”.

Heck even Republican Richard Nixon’s record of imposing a national across the country 55 mile/ hour speed limit and price controls limiting the profits of the super-market I worked at part-time while in high school to 1%, makes Obama look pretty conservative.

Yeah, it was illegal to drive faster than 55 MPH and the Federal Government would allow a regional Super-Market chain to make only a 1% profit.

Damn, doesn’t anyone study history in school anymore?

Not quite, the US became successful and prosperous because after World War II it was the only major industrial nation in the world that had not been bombed into rubble.

You simplify my thoughts on this. I agree with much of what you say. However, I truly do not know where the answer lies at this point in our history. Perhaps none of us can. I understand Government corruption all too well. The real trouble however is untrammelled human pursuit of individual satisfaction. That way lies chaos. We are all foolish humans, who cannot see a bigger picture beyond a few years ahead, if that.

My only point was irritation and frustration at demonising a man who is an easy target with simplistic and spurious labels of ‘communist’. Like it or not, we need government. Without it, human nature is too corrupt for us to not decline into complete anarchy. The weak need protection from aggressors. Our natural environment is rapidly dying. Nature is red in tooth and claw.

I shall ignore implications that you believe me ignorant, for the truth is we ALL are. We just have none of us got it right yet… with the possible exceptions of tribes running around half naked in forests…

So true, so true :smiley:

d-pip

I have no love for any of the presidents you mentioned and agree with what you said. Obama’s ties with Marxists is self proclaimed in his book Dreams from My Father. His association with Marxists throughout his career is no secrete and if I recall correctly, was something that spineless John McCain refused to bring up in his 2008 campaign. So where is the contradiction? While it seems that Obama rules like any other Democrat I beleive it is because he is restrained by Congress to an extent and by the speed at which he is able move forward with his agenda. I don’t disagree that the other presidents you mentioned, left to their own might have gone as far as Obama wish he could go.

You don’t even know who they are or what I’m talking about, sorry. LOL!