…And turn it into an actual democracy (like this) where cops know their place and who they are working for.
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No, obv you don’t agree coz you misunderstood me…I was talking about “universal” minimum wage of 5 $ for domestic and foreign(slave) workforce of 30 million…That would solve the problem quick and bye bye to China’s manufacturing cities with the suicide nets hanging from building to building…[/QUOTE]
Lol…
You’re right. I don’t agree. That is absolute nonsense.
Don’t mean to butt in, but I wouldn’t call every “born again believer” a fake. There are people out there who honestly believe God has communicated to them through dreams, visions, in prayer, or some other personal experience. My wife, for example, has almost without fail, gotten up at 0500 every morning for the past 16 years, and prays for maybe 60 to 90 minutes. She’s never used an alarm clock. Says God wakes her up sometimes with a noise that sounds like a little bell. From time to time I hear her praying in “tongues”. And every once in a while she’ll say God told her this or that, or that something is going to happen. You know, it always does just as she says. I’m used to it now, but it was very strange at first.
You’ve been watching Fake News for too damn long ,Jolly, and now it’s time to wake the f up brother! I don’t care that there are big breasted blondes on there either … Just change the channel to Playboy instead !
Which part is nonsense…You think i’m bsing you about the suicide nets or what…
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Don’t mean to butt in, but I wouldn’t call every “born again believer” a fake. There are people out there who honestly believe God has communicated to them through dreams, visions, in prayer, or some other personal experience. My wife, for example, has almost without fail, gotten up at 0500 every morning for the past 16 years, and prays for maybe 60 to 90 minutes. She’s never used an alarm clock. Says God wakes her up sometimes with a noise that sounds like a little bell. From time to time I hear her praying in “tongues”. And every once in a while she’ll say God told her this or that, or that something is going to happen. You know, it always does just as she says. I’m used to it now, but it was very strange at first.[/QUOTE]
Yea I guess that was wrong. I know a lot of good Christian people. At one point I was even a pretty hardcore one myself. I just wondered if Clint was a Christian or a “good ol boy”. There’s a lot of people who claim Christianity but when it comes down to it they don’t know much it’s just tradition to claim it.
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The system has become exceedingly corrupt. So what. You need to hit the streets and reclaim your rights instead of hinting secession from the union bcz that has zero chance of happening. Remember, the fed government has nuclear weapons and lots of it…You need to change back the system from within instead! Stage massive protests, form an actual major third and even fourth party to compete with Democrips and Rebloodlicans, organize and occupy town halls and Washington, join Soros Open Society and engage other people in intellectual discussion until you reach middle ground of some kind. You might not think atm that there is middle ground, but there is and it’s called logic and common sense because it is common to all that breathe the same air…No one needs “more government” but everyone needs more efficient government.[/QUOTE]
I’m not hinting of secession, I’m hinting of a country tearing itself apart like Yugoslavia.
I’m sorry, there is a vast schism between the people in my country and the common ground we share isn’t enough.
There are the producers who create wealth and benefit society.
There are the ignorant who create wealth, but have no understanding of economics and think the government is inherently good.
There are the leaches who use the coercion of government to steal wealth from the producers.
There are the bureaucrats and politicians who profit from lobbying and screwing up the country.
I can not side with people who want to take my wealth, guns, other property and at the same time argue for the government to make everything a PITA or me by imposing more regulations and taxes.
Riots rarely work, nor do I see myself rioting along side a mob of entitled fools who are actively trying to pull me don to their level.
They are useful idiots, really. They think the government is the answer to our problems. It is not. It has caused our problems.
The United States needs to return to the constitution. Government needs to be weak at the federal level and flexible at the state level. That way, all parties are satisfied.
Governments are inherently evil and should not be trusted. A government that provides you everything, can take away everything.
[QUOTE=“konan;491571”]You’ve been watching Fake News for too damn long ,Jolly, and now it’s time to wake the f up brother! I don’t care that there are big breasted blondes on there either … Just change the channel to Playboy instead ![/QUOTE]
Because I totally watch Fox or any other part of the MSM.
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I’m not hinting of secession, I’m hinting of a country tearing itself apart like Yugoslavia.
I’m sorry, there is a vast schism between the people in my country and the common ground we share isn’t enough.
There are the producers who create wealth and benefit society.
There are the ignorant who create wealth, but have no understanding of economics and think the government is inherently good.
There are the leaches who use the coercion of government to steal wealth from the producers.
There are the bureaucrats and politicians who profit from lobbying and screwing up the country.
I can not side with people who want to take my wealth, guns, other property and at the same time argue for the government to make everything a PITA or me by imposing more regulations and taxes.
Riots rarely work, nor do I see myself rioting along side a mob of entitled fools who are actively trying to pull me don to their level.
They are useful idiots, really. They think the government is the answer to our problems. It is not. It has caused our problems.
The United States needs to return to the constitution. Government needs to be weak at the federal level and flexible at the state level. That way, all parties are satisfied.
Governments are inherently evil and should not be trusted. A government that provides you everything, can take away everything.
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Jolly I think you might be wrong about the schism. Or people lie. After Obama won I read some polls. The most important issue to voters was the economy. But in the same poll most voters didnt think Obama was handling the economy very well.
I think he won on social issues like gay marriage and abortion.
Hopefully that’s the case and us libertarians can make a strong move. Gary Johnson posted a pic on Facebook today that said we should spread the word. A lot of people vote for the lesser of two evils because they see no other option. If we could just get 36% for a libertarian we could win.
You don’t have centuries long religious divisions in the USA like the people in Yugoslavia have had before they turned against each other…Also, again, your federal army owns weapons of mass and total destruction…So, your m14 or what you got there can’t help you really…Only real divisions you have right now are between the very poor and the very rich…And that never played out too good for the very rich – historically speaking
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Jolly I think you might be wrong about the schism. Or people lie. After Obama won I read some polls. The most important issue to voters was the economy. But in the same poll most voters didnt think Obama was handling the economy very well.
I think he won on social issues like gay marriage and abortion.
Hopefully that’s the case and us libertarians can make a strong move. Gary Johnson posted a pic on Facebook today that said we should spread the word. A lot of people vote for the lesser of two evils because they see no other option. If we could just get 36% for a libertarian we could win.[/QUOTE]
I guess, it’s not entirely black and white, however I don’t know how I could ever side with somebody like Konan who is diametrically opposed to everything I support with the possible exception of foreign policy.
And it’s funny, because what I want is a system where socialists and freedom lovers can get along. If you love socialism, move to a state that is full of it. If you love economic and personal freedom, move to a stats that espouses those beliefs.
But noooo… The federal government just has to dictate EVERYBODY’S life… No regard to different cultures, ideologies, ways of life etc. It just HAS to be a massive, one size fits all, govt for him. If you don’t like it, tough. If you resist socialism, die. That’s the kind of govt he wants and it ticks me off.
I would love it if the entire US was the epitome of both economic and personal freedom, but I’m willing to compromise and embrace states rights.
The Statists are not. EVERYBODY must be subjected to their horrendous system, regardless of if they want it or not. It’s a form of servitude, really.
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You don’t have centuries long religious divisions in the USA like the people in Yugoslavia have had before they turned against each other…Also, again, your federal army owns weapons of mass and total destruction…So, your m14 or what you got there can’t help you really…Only real divisions you have right now are between the very poor and the very rich…And that never played out too good for the very rich – historically speaking[/QUOTE]
When the economy implodes because of your horrible policies there will be SERIOUS division.
Statists, such as yourself, will want the government to have even more power, will want more bailouts, stimulus, inflation, welfare an all the other garbage that got us into this mess.
People such as myself will acknowledge the fact that government is not the answers to our problem, government IS the problem and the govt needs to be bound.
I have come to the conclusion that our problems will be dealt with at the state level, not the federal level.
This won’t be a breakup over religion. I frequently find myself standing in solidarity with atheists and people of other religions. This would be a breakup over the role of government… Some states are moving to more economic and personal freedom. Others like New York and Cali are moving to restrict freedom… But it’s not just that they are restricting their own freedoms, they are trying to subjugate other states to their tyranny through the federal govt.
And you don’t seem to fathom this. I’ve said it time and time again, but you ignore it. WHEN INTEREST RATES GO UP, THE PARTY IS OVER.
M14 lol. Thats an antique in my eyes.
Get this, the majority of people in our military are either conservative or libertarian. I know Apache pilots that sport Gadsden flags at their homes. (The yellow flag with a coiled snake)
If the government went postal, they would defect and they would take a few goodies with them.
If you think the govt is stupid enough to nuke itself, I’m surprised you have so much blind faith in govt.
And it’s not a rich vs poor issue, like you see it. I’m not wealthy. The majority of my friends aren’t wealthy… And yet we don’t hate rich people. I suppose that’s because we have enough common sense to realize that they aren’t the problem. The only rich people I can’t stand are the bureaucrats, politicians, lobbyists and people who become wealthy by using govt force.
Again, what country are you from?
In other news, some of those evil rich people in France are getting what they deserve! Taxes have exceeded 100% for some of the rich people in France.
I’m sure France will soon be a prosperous, socialist utopia!
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Clint I’m not sure if you’re a Christian man or a fake like every other “born again believer”. I kno it’s off topic just been meaning to say that lol. I do enjoy your posts though.
And I don’t have many problems a government could solve.[/QUOTE]
[B]1.[/B] What does my Christian faith have to do with the post you were replying to?
[B]2.[/B] Your implied condemnation of any and all born-again believers is not only off-topic — it’s offensive and out of place.
[B]3.[/B] Your comment about not having “many problems a government could solve” indicates that my attempt at sarcasm went right over your head. If you think that I advocate more government control over the personal lives of individuals, either here or anywhere else in the world, then apparently you have jumped into this thread without even knowing what it’s about.
Maybe you should go back to post #1, and do some reading.
[B]4.[/B] There will be a One-World Government before the End of this Age, and it will be evil beyond our present comprehension. That government is certain to come into being, because it is prophesied in Scripture. It cannot be prevented.
But, possibly it can be delayed by patriotic men and women who are willing to fight against anything resembling a one-world dictatorship, every time such a thing rears its head.
This much is certain: being complacent about the coming One-World Government would be utter folly; and helping to bring it about would be utter evil.
[B]5.[/B] If you want to discuss Christian theology, you should start a thread on Religious Belief. This thread is devoted to Political Opinion, as its title suggests, and it’s not the place for a major sidetrack into religion.
I am from Croatia originally…I tht u knew this…Could you guess how many people does it take to actually launch a nuclear warhead towards any city in the USA?. President, secretary of state or vp and one red button. Interest rates will go up when QE stops…By how much, that is the question…About those protestors…They have more balls than you, fellow, to fight bare handed against the police state, while you’re covering behind your guns in ur moms basement( ex wife’s basement possibly ) , yelling at the monitor and plotting some 19th century utopia of the South rising again…FAIL…The problem here is that Fux News never told you how you already live in the Orwellian police state and that someone needs to actually stand up to that sht…And that would be those “useful” idiots…Now I mad too…
That doesn’t make any sense. How can you tax 100% of somebody’s income. I think I’d personally be packing my bags and leaving.
I’m confused. You wan’t us to violently stand up to them, but then said we can’t because of nukes?
How do you know about fox news if you don’t live here. It’s kind of funny, the people I personally know say how much fox news is terrible, but when asked if they’ve every seen it, they say no. They don’t form their own opinion, they just believe what people tell them to believe.
Jolly’s right, the government can’t turn on it’s own people, at least on a massive scale. Military men have come out saying they’d do their job. Protecting the American people.
A government wouldn’t nuke it’s own people. There would be major political ramifications.
Oh, you asked about salary. I guess I could have used myself as an example. Last job I made 40k/year and had company paid health insurance. Even being company paid, I had to pay $85/month, which actually went up after obamacare passed.
You think that $85 a month should come out of the executives salaries? Last time I looked the CEO made about 6 mil/year. If we split his entire salary among the employees, it would be about $50/year for each person.
Coz I have this thing called “internets”, it’s a serious of tubes really and in one of them tubes is this thing called Youtube and it has all of these videos and what not of for instance Bill O’reiley saying how ocean tides are a mystery and therefor God must be moving the tides, and etc and etc…But also I have a satellite dish and I had basic cable when I lived in the US…
In the case of a threat, foreign or domestic, the US government has the right to declare emergency state which hands over all the power over nukes and all other weapons of mass dest. to the hands of the commander in chief…What political ramifications, lol, in a state of a civil war??
Standing up to the police and standing up to the military is not the same thing and under your constitution should not even be possible to happen because the army has no normal jurisdiction to engage citizens on domestic soil…
Police should be fearful of its people, not the other way around…like in the Nazi Germany for ex
Are you sure Obamacare will cost every business the same?
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I am from Croatia originally…I tht u knew this…Could you guess how many people does it take to actually launch a nuclear warhead towards any city in the USA?. President, secretary of state or vp and one red button. Interest rates will go up when QE stops…By how much, that is the question…About those protestors…They have more balls than you, fellow, to fight bare handed against the police state, while you’re covering behind your guns in ur moms basement( ex wife’s basement possibly ) , yelling at the monitor and plotting some 19th century utopia of the South rising again…FAIL…The problem here is that Fux News never told you how you already live in the Orwellian police state and that someone needs to actually stand up to that sht…And that would be those “useful” idiots…Now I mad too…[/QUOTE]
Okay…
Interest rates will soar, nobody is going to stand in front of the fed when they start unloading bonds, you would be a moron to do that. If the Fed stops buying bonds, bonds are going to soar… The Fed IS the bond market.
There will be no more welfare when the market beats the government.
The things they’re protesting is worthless. This explains it well.
I have respect for my local law enforcement officers. Many of the sheriffs in my state have openly states that they will not comply with new, unconstitutional, federal gun laws. Many states are resisting the federal govt and moving towards more freedom. I live in one of those states.
A lot of the socialist initiatives in my state are being shot down and reversed. With that, I am well pleased.
My governor isn’t that great, but my legislator is pretty good. They have expanded my gun rights and lifted restrictions among other things.
Lol, it’s not just the people in southern states that are growing tired of the socialist nonsense being forced on us.
I know America is becoming a police state. It’s thanks to your socialist policies. It’s because of foolish people who want more government.
Your buddy Obama has been very strong on supporting a police state. He reauthorized the patriot act, he signed the NDAA. I can’t even begin to list all the BS that Obama has signed into law that reduces liberty.
It makes no sense when people protest a police sate and in the same stride support Obama, support more govt and support banning guns. It’s crazy.
Lol again, I lost any respect I had for Fox when they destroyed my favorite candidate.
And I find it funny how you only complain about Fox. Do you think CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, and CNBC are trustworthy?
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That doesn’t make any sense. How can you tax 100% of somebody’s income. I think I’d personally be packing my bags and leaving.[/QUOTE]
Apparently they had some tax rebates under Nicolas Sarkozy, and they were trying to take back the money they “lost”
It affected 8,000 families.
They are trying to get a 75% tax on the rich, but it was declared unconstitutional. Now they are trying to work around it so they can extract even more wealth from the remaining rich people in France.
And a lot of the wealthy are plotting to leave. Many already have. The number of requests to leave France are up 500%