Questions about advertising and solicitation and forum rules

[QUOTE=“Pipstradamus;534081”]Please stop posting Horlique2’s thread updates to your own thread. You’ve been ignored for a reason, so respect that action. Members can go there to review the updates for themselves. Feel free to do your review in a respectful manner. Aggressive, attacking, and belittling comments will be met with deletion and/or infraction. Any posts deemed as fueling the fire will also be deleted for anyone making them, not just the OP. Continue to posts in this manner and the entire thread will be deleted.

It’s sad that we have to resort to messages like these, but members don’t appear to understand our forum rules. Even active members need a reminding. Even though you feel you are doing a service for the good of the community, there’s a right way and a wrong way to go about this.

Show your performance, make your review of the SYSTEM, and leave it at that. Let the thread and system followers make their own decisions. If the system isn’t doing it for you, please move on.

Pipstradamus[/QUOTE]

What the heck… Are you serious? So someone posts FREE signals to the forum PUBLICLY… For EVERYONE to use… And you are telling me I CAN’T post the results of his signals on MY thread…? What is wrong with you…

You have a commercial member who is using YOUR forum that YOU created as advertising for HIS gain… And harrasses a long term BENEFICIAL member for trying to show some accountancy and transparency… And you come down on ME?

Are you serious…

No pipstradamus… THIS is sad if this is what babypips comes to when you protect a commercial advertiser from one of the few competent traders who is trying to show what his signals will actually produce… face palm

Horlique has been asking people to give him money for him to manage in his personal business… You going to turn a blind eye to this? Even ForexFactory banned this guy…


What’s the difference between someone requoting his posts on his thread… Versus me requoting them elsewhere… Given that the source (Horlique) is being acknowledged…ZERO!

[QUOTE=“ILovePizzaMore;534083”]

What the heck… Are you serious? So someone posts FREE signals to the forum PUBLICLY… For EVERYONE to use… And you are telling me I CAN’T post the results of his signals on MY thread…? What is wrong with you…

You have a commercial member who is using YOUR forum that YOU created as advertising for HIS gain… And harrasses a long term BENEFICIAL member for trying to show some accountancy and transparency… And you come down on ME?

Are you serious…

No pipstradamus… THIS is sad if this is what babypips comes to when you protect a commercial advertiser from one of the few competent traders who is trying to show what his signals will actually produce… face palm

Horlique has been asking people to give him money for him to manage in his personal business… You going to turn a blind eye to this? Even ForexFactory banned this guy…

What’s the difference between someone requoting his posts on his thread… Versus me requoting them elsewhere… Given that the source (Horlique) is being acknowledged…ZERO![/QUOTE]

So essentially you got a couple of “report” posts from some forum members who are getting lured into Horliques personal account management services and find offense when someone dares tries seeing what the actual performance is?

Is the traffic that he is drawing in to the site swaying your judgement… Come on.

Here you go pipstradamus…

Click on Horliques profile…


Now remind me again what your rules are on advertising???

Here are the rules YOU posted! Can’t get anymore black and white…(oh dear I’m re-quoting someone on a different thread and putting it into my own! bites nails)


Ohhhhh yahhhh!!! Lets slap the hand of the guy trying to keep the forum free from commercials trying to take advantage of the newbies. Makes sense.

I don’t know why there isn’t a vendor section of the forum. There are so many vendors like Chris Capre etc floating about on different sections that barely masquerade as discussions that its very arbitrary to who is considered commercial and who isn’t. I don’t see the problem with advertising as long as people have verified performances. Let me rephrase then: should be a vendor section with verified performances, a vendor section without verified performances (where most of the trash should go), and the rest of the forum left for discussion.

When you have this …


As the official rules…

You can not turn a blind eye to this…


As well as him soliciting members via PM to manage their money.

It’s black and white…

And then for ME to get the slap on the wrist… shakes head

Isn’t the 2ndskiesforex thread just a huge 100 page solicitation thread? As is the Forex School Online one? Its completely arbitrary whether one is considered advertising or not. I have made my own opinion clear (that there should be verified results vendor and a non verified area), but it seems as if there is some leeway if the advertiser provides some free value. Basically means that completely worthless advertising threads like “buy my EA at xxx” get banned, whereas stuff like Horliques that provides unverified results and Capres teaching that is based on unverified results are allowed because they provide some value (however dubious you may think).

[QUOTE=“JackMarkets;534118”]Isn’t the 2ndskiesforex thread just a huge 100 page solicitation thread? As is the Forex School Online one? Its completely arbitrary whether one is considered advertising or not. I have made my own opinion clear (that there should be verified results vendor and a non verified area), but it seems as if there is some leeway if the advertiser provides some free value. Basically means that completely worthless advertising threads like “buy my EA at xxx” get banned, whereas stuff like Horliques that provides unverified results and Capres teaching that is based on unverified results are allowed because they provide some value (however dubious you may think).[/QUOTE]

And what if these people are cons like David Jefferson… Then what babypips becomes is a FACILITATOR to scam.

Stick with the rules YOU wrote and POSTED! If you are going to allow BLATANT advertising and SOLICITING then remove that from the “do not do” list on the rules. Then I won’t have anything to be “aggressive” about now would I?

What do you mean “what if…” lol

[QUOTE=“JackMarkets;534122”]

What do you mean “what if…” lol[/QUOTE]

Uh huh… Well apparently it’s all good if it generates site traffic.

I guess I was a bit more optimistic… Seemed like the creators of babypips had a bit more integrity then that. Disappointed in you guys. You blew this one.

I will not stop posting Horliques trades… If I have to simply post a link to his thread with a summary of his signals in my own words instead of simply re-quoting him then so be it. I will also be posting a screenshot of his profile that has his contact information with every signal to help the newbies in finding where to give him their business as well… Since you guys don’t mind him advertising in that fashion.

My latest trade based upon the signals is to sell audusd…


And buy eurcad


We are risking 1% on each trade.

I will update the trades as soon as the signals change or hit the SL or TP.


I can definitely understand your position, but you’ve been here since April of 2013. We’ve been dealing with situations just like this since 2006. Our moderators know a thing or two about how users interact with each other and they know we have policies in place to create an environment for learning and discussion. And the community, even new members, know when someone’s behavior is unacceptable.

When multiple complaints come in about your aggressive activity on this forum, not just from Horlique2, it says something about your “contributions”. We’re happy that you’re helping us weed out the bad members and snake oil salesmen. It’s one of the primary reasons we started the website. But it’s the aggression that we have a problem with.

Regarding Horlique2, he’s been given multiple infractions in the past, and his profile/visitor messages have been updated to reflect our policy. If he is in fact peddling his services, and we’ve given him notice about his behavior, and he still continues, then he won’t be here much longer.

That’s when we rely on members to use the report post feature. We’ve been pretty clear that this feature is the best way to get us to review a member and his/her activity. Thread battles and flame wars never end as expected.

Regarding your actions on Horlique2’s thread, we’re not against members referencing other members’ content. We’re not even against you trying to show whether a system performs or not, or if it’s utter crap. Your posts were deemed aggressive and harassing; hence my request for you to stop posting on that thread and referencing the same material. Had you simply posted your results and constructive feedback, we wouldn’t be here.

Regarding your assertion that “we protect commercial members” such as Harlique2 for our own gain, we’ll that makes no sense at all. We’ve had a handful of situations just like this in the past, very public, and almost always all parties involved end up leaving the website forever. Even members with honorary member status. That actually hurts us in the long run. Sure we might get a small surge in pageviews initially, but members and visitors are turned off by bickering and aggression and disrespect, and they too leave. And knowledgeable and active members/traders are always hard to replace. Plus, members tend to leave the website when situations like this (where there’s even just a hint of some commercial deal in place to make us millions of dollars) get drawn out and no action is taken. So there is a reason to make sure we get the scammers and peddlers out of here. But for us, if there’s some perceived value by even a minority of members regarding the offerings of this member, we let them decide whether they want to give up their attention and time to follow this member (as long as the member is following our policy).

Now that fact you’ve gotten sarcastic in this thread and said you’d basically do whatever you want to do, shows that you probably don’t care what I or our policy, or any other member as to say, and that’s fine. I or our moderators can’t change that. But we will enforce our policies. We’ve always made it clear that we expect respectful discussion, even when one of the parties involved might be a scammer or someone selling his snake oil. We’re pretty flexible most of the time, and often late to the game in certain situations, but when needed, we do step in. This is one such case.

As I’ve requested, please stop posting to Horlique2’s thread and referencing his posts to yours. If we receive complaints about Horlique2’s activity on the forums, we’ll take action just the same.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Pipstradamus

[QUOTE=“Pipstradamus;534195”]

I can definitely understand your position, but you’ve been here since April of 2013. We’ve been dealing with situations just like this since 2006. Our moderators know a thing or two about how users interact with each other and they know we have policies in place to create an environment for learning and discussion. And the community, even new members, know when someone’s behavior is unacceptable.

When multiple complaints come in about your aggressive activity on this forum, not just from Horlique2, it says something about your “contributions”. We’re happy that you’re helping us weed out the bad members and snake oil salesmen. It’s one of the primary reasons we started the website. But it’s the aggression that we have a problem with.

Regarding Horlique2, he’s been given multiple infractions in the past, and his profile/visitor messages have been updated to reflect our policy. If he is in fact peddling his services, and we’ve given him notice about his behavior, and he still continues, then he won’t be here much longer.

That’s when we rely on members to use the report post feature. We’ve been pretty clear that this feature is the best way to get us to review a member and his/her activity. Thread battles and flame wars never end as expected.

Regarding your actions on Horlique2’s thread, we’re not against members referencing other members’ content. We’re not even against you trying to show whether a system performs or not, or if it’s utter crap. Your posts were deemed aggressive and harassing; hence my request for you to stop posting on that thread and referencing the same material. Had you simply posted your results and constructive feedback, we wouldn’t be here.

Regarding your assertion that “we protect commercial members” such as Harlique2 for our own gain, we’ll that makes no sense at all. We’ve had a handful of situations just like this in the past, very public, and almost always all parties involved end up leaving the website forever. Even members with honorary member status. That actually hurts us in the long run. Sure we might get a small surge in pageviews initially, but members and visitors are turned off by bickering and aggression and disrespect, and they too leave. And knowledgeable and active members/traders are always hard to replace. Plus, members tend to leave the website when situations like this (where there’s even just a hint of some commercial deal in place to make us millions of dollars) get drawn out and no action is taken. So there is a reason to make sure we get the scammers and peddlers out of here. But for us, if there’s some perceived value by even a minority of members regarding the offerings of this member, we let them decide whether they want to give up their attention and time to follow this member (as long as the member is following our policy).

Now that fact you’ve gotten sarcastic in this thread and said you’d basically do whatever you want to do, shows that you probably don’t care what I or our policy, or any other member as to say, and that’s fine. I or our moderators can’t change that. But we will enforce our policies. We’ve always made it clear that we expect respectful discussion, even when one of the parties involved might be a scammer or someone selling his snake oil. We’re pretty flexible most of the time, and often late to the game in certain situations, but when needed, we do step in. This is one such case.

As I’ve requested, please stop posting to Horlique2’s thread and referencing his posts to yours. If we receive complaints about Horlique2’s activity on the forums, we’ll take action just the same.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Pipstradamus[/QUOTE]

No… You caved in to a bunch of people who have less then 10 posts who reported me based on Horliques prodding… If you had taken the time to actually read my posts in Horliques thread you would have clearly seen the context… Quite frankly I don’t even think you had even opened Horliques profile to see the blatant advertising… Yet you “viewed” my profile (I can see that you did on my profile")…

It’s weird that he has “several infractions” … A warning … Then an infraction… Then the ban… thats process isn’t it? Why would he be given “several infractions”…?

I have been here longer then a year and have over 3K posts to this forum. You slap my wrist based on the reaction a commercial member evoked among his following based on me pointing out the rules you posted. Makes sense.

Lastly… I haven’t been posting to Horliques thread since he ignored me… As its impossible for me to… So why do you keep saying that I have continued to post on his thread…?

Ha Ha ha Ha Ha …oh pizza pizza pizza man …can you try and spend a bit more time on your 10 pip profit 500 pip stop strategy …I want to learn from you !!! you really sound a pretty cool trader and a great mentor … is that 10 pips including spread or do I have to add that and the same with my stop do I put my spread ontop of the 500 pips

[QUOTE=“freddypond;534417”]Ha Ha ha Ha Ha …oh pizza pizza pizza man …can you try and spend a bit more time on your 10 pip profit 500 pip stop strategy …I want to learn from you !!! you really sound a pretty cool trader and a great mentor … is that 10 pips including spread or do I have to add that and the same with my stop do I put my spread ontop of the 500 pips[/QUOTE]

Speaking about advertisers… How many infractions have you gotten for spamming the threads?

Don’t worry… I just went through my thread and heavily edited everything out :slight_smile: there is nothing there of any substance now. The forum is free for the newbs to have fun with their signal providers :slight_smile:

Like I stated earlier, we’ve had complaints fromseveral other members (with more than 10 posts) on several other occasions. Not just this one. There’s a pattern of aggression and rudeness. So ratherthan let it continue, I decided to ask you to stop. You weren’t given aformal warning or an infraction. You call it a hand slap, we call it a simple request. And whether amember has 1 post or 1000’s, it doesn’t change your behavior at the time of thereports. Plural.

Infractions,depending on severity, can expire. Some infractions are permanent. Horlique2 has/had a combination of the two. Horlique2 has beengiven infractions in the past, some more recent, and he received another today for continued policy violations after our requests for him to stop. He didn’t stop. So we banned him today.

We can go at this all day long, but it gets us nowhere. Horlique2 is no more, we’ve literally only asked you to stop being aggressive and rude, and that’s it. What you decide to do from here on out is your decision. We’ll stick to our policy and processes of enforcing it. You can respect that or not. We’ll understand either way and move on.

Pipstradamus

[QUOTE=“Pipstradamus;535083”]

Like I stated earlier, we’ve had complaints fromseveral other members (with more than 10 posts) on several other occasions. Not just this one. There’s a pattern of aggression and rudeness. So ratherthan let it continue, I decided to ask you to stop. You weren’t given aformal warning or an infraction. You call it a hand slap, we call it a simple request. And whether amember has 1 post or 1000’s, it doesn’t change your behavior at the time of thereports. Plural.

Infractions,depending on severity, can expire. Some infractions are permanent. Horlique2 has/had a combination of the two. Horlique2 has beengiven infractions in the past, some more recent, and he received another today for continued policy violations after our requests for him to stop. He didn’t stop. So we banned him today.

We can go at this all day long, but it gets us nowhere. Horlique2 is no more, we’ve literally only asked you to stop being aggressive and rude, and that’s it. What you decide to do from here on out is your decision. We’ll stick to our policy and processes of enforcing it. You can respect that or not. We’ll understand either way and move on.

Pipstradamus[/QUOTE]

Do you understand where me, trying to post to someone’s thread who is breaking the rules (that you posted for the forum to follow) will be perceived as “rude and aggressive” to someone who is violating them? These complaints that you had received were regarding MAINLY the situation with Horlique2… (Sure I’ve called out other marketers, those were probably the other occasions you mention). What he perceived as me being aggressive, was me hassling him for being a commercial member… Advertising on the forum… And soliciting members for money to manage in his account… Again… It would have been fairly obvious what the context was with a simple read through of the reported posts that he (and the people he had asked to join him in reporting me) reported.

I created the thread to chart and review his performance to bring awareness to what he was doing… He ignored me on his thread… Which meant I could no longer post to his thread… Thats why i created it… Several of his followers (some of the ones who reported me for agressiveness) followed me to my thread and began posting more aggressive posts and I returned in a lesser degree.

It really was plain as day what he was doing… And I don’t think I was out of line in being aggressive with someone that was blatantly breaking the forum rules. The guy breaking the forum rules encouraged his followers to report me for calling him out… It’s that simple.

It boils down to “is advertising allowed”… If it is then there is no reason for me to care and I will not need to call out any transparent and insidious marketers as they come… Therefore all perceptions by the offender of me being “aggressive” will be avoided. His followers can skip along merrily and eventually hand him their money… And when they come back empty handed, their bad experience will be partly blamed on this forum… And the reputation will spread fast.

If its not… Then the guy who is calling them out shouldn’t be told to stop based on the guy who is breaking the rules reporting him… Lol. That makes zero sense… Send me a PM next time… “Hey… We are looking into this guy… You can relax now” … Instead you legitimized him by telling me to stop publicly.

Do you want someone who is pretty dang good at sniffing out the people using this site for marketing to bite his tongue? You told me to stop so I will stop… Mind you, Horlique2 made it 3 months and got over 100k views (and no doubt more then several customers from this site), and he would have continued on for many more months if it was not for me calling him out and being “aggressive”. There are and will be more like him.

Very interesting discussion.

But I think, it’s not necessary to protect newbies in this honorable way, as you do, though.
Each trader, even newbie, gets a feeling for ‘good’ and ‘bad friends’. If not, it’s probably
the same, who opens an account with leverage 1:400 and get it closed faster than opened.

Trading is a profession, which demands patience, calmness, discipline, discipline and discipline.
Included in this characteristics there is a bit tolerance too.
:slight_smile:

[QUOTE=“josch;535664”]Very interesting discussion.

But I think, it’s not necessary to protect newbies in this honorable way, as you do, though.
Each trader, even newbie, gets a feeling for ‘good’ and ‘bad friends’. If not, it’s probably
the same, who opens an account with leverage 1:400 and get it closed faster than opened.

Trading is a profession, which demands patience, calmness, discipline, discipline and discipline.
Included in this characteristics there is a bit tolerance too.
:)[/QUOTE]

But he also is violating note 11 of basic rules for cross posting, not too mention being abrupt, rude etc on other threads. I think if Horlique has been banned then so he should be also!! At least Horlique was polite and was able to have a conversation with without being accused of stuff!

[QUOTE=“ILovePizzaMore;535122”]
The guy breaking the forum rules encouraged his followers to report me for calling him out… It’s that simple.
[/QUOTE]

Case in point…

[QUOTE=“kymberly2000;535676”]

But he also is violating note 11 of basic rules for cross posting, not too mention being abrupt, rude etc on other threads. I think if Horlique has been banned then so he should be also!! At least Horlique was polite and was able to have a conversation with without being accused of stuff![/QUOTE]

It all comes down to Horlique2 is the first one who violate the rules of BP for advertising and soliciting. If Pizza didn’t do what he did, he could have been still here posting and building his own business to attract new customers. Though, there are so many back and forth bantering that are very rude for both and other valued followers of Holique2 not just Pizza…so it does create some distraction in the forum/thread…

Unfortunately, some folks do not know how to accept criticism and how to response to it in calm manner but what can we do… True, we cannot protect newbie from scammers or from those who are doing advertising… It is there own choice but it is still good to look at both side if it is makes sense by providing a " constructive" opinion to balance out…

Horlique wasn’t banned… He just post on his thread…