Going offshore to escape the CFTC

[GypsyTrader]

sman..
You have your opinion, I have mine. Mine is pretty simple. I'm a big boy now, I wear big boy pants. I'm even potty-trained. If I lose my money, IT'S MY MONEY. I will learn from my mistakes, save some more money and try again, and not make the same mistakes once more. It's called life, sman.
The Dodd-Frank bill you're so approving of was written/sponsored by two criminals that belong in prison, not Congress. That's why it exempts people with accounts larger than 10m bucks. Can't ding your friends now, can you?
What I want my Government to do for me is: LEAVE ME ALONE. I'll take care of myself thank you.

Was searching this thread for something and once again found your fine post.

As E r n e s t H a n c o c k loves to say: "There are those who want to be left alone, and those who just won't leave them alone!"

Government means control. How the Hail could they leave us alone and continue on their masters' agenda? or even get enough to fund their vices?

That's ALL governments. I mean, look at those guys! Worse every year. Makes me want to lock up the kids.

[GypsyTrader]

I came across Paxforex don't have all the information on them right now but will call them and update you guys since i am looking for a forex broker myself

Hallo dk58198, look for a post I put up, believe it's #1412 -- contains extensive details on Pax Forex. Welcome to the thread, and please post any additional data you discover on Pax, etc.

[GypsyTrader]

Questions have arisen as to why one or another FX broker has been targeted by CFTC.

Understood re MOU's etc., and the hedging & FIFO rules; however I believe leverage is the crucial point. This is the focal issue for banks worldwide at the moment and it is not one which will go away. It certainly will not be "voted away" by the likes of the average FX trader; the current system is 'post-democratic' meaning the elite banksters make these decisions among themselves and merely deliver them -- just a note in case anyone's not yet noticed that.

Broker firms offering unconditional 1:500 and greater leverage will soon be gone, period, and not only for the U.S. resident trader. Ain't I the cheerful one? It's something to think on anyway, because if your trading strategy benefits significantly from higher leverage then now's the time to get while the gettin's ... good, or as good as it's going to get. Seriously. Seize the day, the sun's well past meridian. :-}

[Shatners Last Stand]

Gypsy,
Yes, the CFTC regulators certainly don't seem to understand or care that leverage is not a "one size fits all" proposition. Short term FOREX traders simply require more leverage. In the SEC/equities world this fact is acknowledged by the so called "pattern day trader" accounts which are afforded more leverage versus standard margin accounts. Maybe CFTC regulators would be willing to do something similar for FOREX. Probably stupid idea...

[Leg0nd]

Oanda only offers 1:50 leverage maximum. Which I have been using since I first opened my account in January. As long as 1:50 doesn't go away I will survive.

[4x007]

Safe , Secure , and Reliable ?????

[GypsyTrader]

Quick note to say I received a spam email from "Noble Services Malta" this morning, promoting "www.forexbrokersinc.com" and my first thought was: Did the guys on the "Scalpers Unite - lets form our own brokerage" thread here put a business together that fast? :-) Nope, this is USDA 100% pure spam, not a heads-up from buddies.

That said, and with trades on as well, I sped right over to the website. Sign of the times eh?

So first thing I saw under "open a live account" was United States heads the pulldown menu list.

Second thing was, in reading through the Terms & Conditions, bloopers which gave me belly laughs.

Here's item 6.9. in part:

Client will not use trading robots, expert advisors, or other computer program which were not approved in advance and in written by the Company. Without derogating from the above mentioned, Client is prohibited from using any robots, expert advisors, or other computer program which used to gain an unfair advantage or to abused any technical error, bug or defect in the Web site software or any other trading software been used by Company. The Company reserves the right to declare null and void any trade made that was the subject of such obese or unfair advantage and to take any money from your Account relating to the relevant trade including the right to close your Account.

No EA's? Unless approved "in written"[sic]? I guess that would be an obese advantage.

I'll go back in a bit and run their data through Clint's checklist, but... wow on the legal writing, guys!

[GypsyTrader]

• ForexBrokerInc "Noble Services Malta" (Belize)

Platform: MT4. -- Min. initial deposit: 5 USD. -- Max. leverage: 500:1 (microlots). -- "Typical" Spreads: EUR/USD 2 pips, GBP/JPY 8 pips.
Website: Forex Broker Inc | Forex Trading | CFD Trading Point
Email:support@forexbrokerinc.com


Notes:
see page there called Forex for spreads, stoplevels, size, etc.
see page entitled Account Types for deposit restrictions and other conditions


And if you're interested in this sort of thing:
the Terms and Conditions document is a mess, starting with misspelling their own name and descending from there. Rare is the sentence therein free of errors (even the email I received introduces me to "Forex Borker Inc.") so I've ignored most of them, BUT I'd be extremely loath to put up my hand to a forest thicket-cum-train wreck like this one.

One example:

- Should Company's compliance department discover that an account holder is inside the excluded territory, than the Company has the right without notice to the client to immediately liquidate the account without any liability to the company.

112. Company reserves the right to exclude Clients from certain territories from using the Web-site. Company does not allow, assist or encourage any form of circumvention of any restrictions placed upon these excluded territories. These territories includes: USA and it's territories and Canada. If company discovers Client is in the excluded territory then Client must bare[sic] all sums deducted addition to a handling and processing fee.

So I went to Live Chat who knew nothing about these terms. Shocker! They welcome all North Americans. This clause in the T&C is a complete surprise to the chat op! It will be corrected immediately! and so forth.

More:

68. . . . . Client agrees that the Company may deduct tax, as may be required by the applicable law, but is not obligated to do so, from the results of the activity with the Company. You are aware that amounts that may be withdrawn by you from your account are "gross amounts", from which the Company may deduct such taxes, and that you shall have no claim towards the Company with regard to such deductions.

and my favourite (a typo-free sentence, too!):

82. .... [Y]ou are not entitled to make untrue and/or malicious and/or damaging comments with regard to the Company operation in any media or forum.


So hush up!

Didn't see much as to licences, jurisdiction, or segregation of funds (they do reserve the right to loan and hypothecate them, etc., so...).

Finally, on the Contact Us page is a "toll free" listing which appears to be a NYC cell phone number.

{shrugs}

[Clint]

• ForexBrokerInc "Noble Services Malta" (Belize)

Platform: MT4. -- Min. initial deposit: 5 USD. -- Max. leverage: 500:1 (microlots). -- "Typical" Spreads: EUR/USD 2 pips, GBP/JPY 8 pips.
Website: www.forexbrokerinc.com
Email: support@forexbrokerinc.com

Hey, Gypsy

I clicked on the links in your post and was directed to:

• the website of MRC Markets (Russia) --- mrcmarkets.com, and to

• the email address for MRC support --- support@mrcmarkets.com

(Try it. Click on the links in your quote, above.)


forexbrokerinc.com --- obviously with www. in front --- is the correct web address for Forex Broker Inc.

But, somehow your link got tangled with MRC (a broker currently on our List in Group 1). Any idea how that happened?


Now, check this out: When you put www. in front of forexbrokerinc.com, you land on the Forex Broker Inc. website --- but, look how it's shown here:

Forex Broker Inc | Forex Trading | CFD Trading Point

Trading Point? Are you kidding me? WTF?

[GypsyTrader]

Hey, Gypsy

I clicked on the links in your post and was directed to:

• the website of MRC Markets (Russia) --- mrcmarkets.com, and to

• the email address for MRC support --- support@mrcmarkets.com

(Try it. Click on the links in your quote, above.)


forexbrokerinc.com --- obviously with www. in front --- is the correct web address for Forex Broker Inc.

But, somehow your link got tangled with MRC (a broker currently on our List in Group 1). Any idea how that happened?

I'd never imagine it WOULD happen, but O the mysteries of BabyPipsForum Coding my friend... we've discovered another one!

Can't say I know how it happened, but when posting the details for forexbrokerinc I wanted to spare you the formatting fuss so I copied the MRC entry and simply replaced the data with the new stuff... voila! A learning experience in more ways than one!

Guess I'd better fix it if I can.

Now, check this out: When you put www. in front of forexbrokerinc.com, you land on the Forex Broker Inc. website --- but, look how it's shown here:

Forex Broker Inc | Forex Trading | CFD Trading Point

Trading Point? Are you kidding me? WTF?

:-D I noticed that as well but I passed it by thinking 'they like that name and have appropriated it as 'the CFD trading point,' didn't think another thing of it. Except that silly little niggle of 'wonder where the b@st@rds got my e-addy...." Perhaps now I know? No, couldn't be.

w00f. what a market on Fiber today, strange brew. addled me I reckon.

now off to mend the weirdness on the post, can't do nought for the Euro lol.